Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

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    Some think 'Angels' [heavenly created beings] can procreate [even with humans]. The Scripture [KJB], says, "But the wise answered, saying, Not so ...", not merely due to the nature of the 'Angels' themselves, but even moreso, and in the most serious manner, because such a grossly distorted and mistaken notion wages war against the very Everlasting Gospel, even the Mystery of Godliness, itself; and thus Jesus Christ Himself.

    A specific person [whom will not be the object of this thread, but the disastrous theology espoused by them thereby], who shall remain nameless upon my part, stated their case, after a low 'carnal' fashion, in brief, this way [red highlights and bold added]:

    Let us see what the Scripture has to say in detail. Then pray, seek and ask God for the Truth, as it is written, and choose whom ye would serve, for if such notions as made by "a specific person" are found to be in error, this person should humbly and openly repent of such assertions, for Scripture is clear that error cannot ever sanctify, for only the Truth sanctifies [John 17:17,19].
     
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    No angels do not have sex it is an absurd claim.
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly brother, for the Scriptures are most clear, but in order that others who hold to such a grievous error, may come to repentance and have also the Truth, as we, allow me to show it from a thorough searching and prayerful study of the Scriptures. :) Feel free to add commentary as we go along, or to give any additional insight.
     
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    This is not a new subject on this board. It has been hashed over and over again through the years. When someone who believes such non sense actually makes a good argument for it I will respond in kind.
     
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    Let's begin with a few points:

    [1] Hebrews 2:16, reveals that 'the angelic hosts' [the created beings of Heaven], do not have the same "nature"/"flesh" ["strange flesh" Jude 1:7] as humans do, and are not the same "kind" as human "kind", which are both "male" and "female". A "Kind" on earth [terrestrial], can only reproduce after its "Kind", for this is the Law of "flesh" and "seed" from the beginning:

    For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. - Hebrews 2:16

    And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. - Genesis 1:11

    And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. - Genesis 1:12

    And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. - Genesis 1:21

    And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. - Genesis 1:24

    And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. - Genesis 1:25

    Thus as it is written, not all "flesh" is the same "flesh", and there is also the matter of "celestial" "flesh"/"body", and another of "terrestrial" "flesh"/"body":

    But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. - 1 Corinthians 15:38

    All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds. - 1 Corinthians 15:39

    [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another. - 1 Corinthians 15:40

    [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory. - 1 Corinthians 15:41

    Yes, the angelic hosts and the 'sons of God' [Job 1 & 2, the beings of the other created unfallen worlds] have "flesh"/"bod[ies]" and are not ethereal, gaseous non-entities, but are tangible beings as you or I, but they unlike us, are unfallen [except for the wicked angels that rebelled with Lucifer].

    As a side note, some seem to think that because we cannot presently see most angels [though some have been seen and spoken with men, and some are seen even today, and some have veiled their glory and looked as an ordinary human [Hebrews 13:2, etc], as with certain instances in Scripture, to which we shall delve into in a bit] that are on earth, it means they are without substance or flesh, but this is not in the definition of invisible. Invisible is not equal to ethereal. I shall come to more on this later, in further Scriptural demonstration.

    [2] Nowhere is it stated in Scripture, even once, that any of 'the angelic hosts' can be fruitful, reproduce, bring forth abundantly or multiply, even though it is said in multiple places for this world's creatures ["upon the earth", "in the earth", "therein", etc]:

    And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. - Genesis 1:20

    And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. - Genesis 1:22

    And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. - Genesis 1:28

    Bring forth with thee every living thing that [is] with thee, of all flesh, [both] of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth. - Genesis 8:17

    And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. - Genesis 9:1

    And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein. - Genesis 9:7

    And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. - Genesis 17:6

    And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. - Genesis 17:20

    And he removed from thence, and digged another well; and for that they strove not: and he called the name of it Rehoboth; and he said, For now the LORD hath made room for us, and we shall be fruitful in the land. - Genesis 26:22

    And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people; - Genesis 28:3

    And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; - Genesis 35:11

    And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction. - Genesis 41:52

    And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee [for] an everlasting possession. - Genesis 48:4

    Joseph [is] a fruitful bough, [even] a fruitful bough by a well; [whose] branches run over the wall: - Genesis 49:22

    And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them. - Exodus 1:7

    For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. - Leviticus 26:9

    Thy wife [shall be] as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table. - Psalm 128:3

    And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. - Jeremiah 23:3

    Thy mother [is] like a vine in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters. - Ezekiel 19:10

    Though he be fruitful among [his] brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels. - Hosea 13:15
     
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    I will pause briefly here, and come back tomorrow in continuation, and we shall begin to delve into the matters further, more closely, and consider some of the so-called examples that those which make the horrendously dangerous [to the Everlasting Gospel itself and Jesus Christ, in the Mystery of Godliness] claim that 'the angelic hosts' can procreate [even with humans, etc].

    These so-called examples which are brought forth by some [Genesis 6-9; 17-19; Job 1 & 2; Peter & Jude, etc], shall be openly studied in their own details, as they are written in the King James Bible, and demonstrated in Scriptural fashion, line upon line, to be no such favourable evidence for these which erroneously [hopefully ignorantly, not maliciously], advocate said constructs of the carnal, base, unsanctified and unconsecrated imagination [whom cannot help to think so, being powerless, to cease from such ideology without the loving, uplifting and saving grace of God], but these texts and their written material, are, in fact, their actual engraven epitaph and eternal death.
     
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    It would be VERY wise to state your point first and then share supporting scripture(s), and then invite examination of your points. How would anybody respond to this mishmash 'rainbow' attrocious post?
     
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    Do angels eat meat?
     
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    I personally don't believe that angels have sexual relations. Whether they have the ability to or not, I am not sure. I am certain that whether they are capable or not, they do not have the same drive that we do.

    However, looking at your post, some things aren't adding up.

    What does that verse have to do with anything? It's speaking of the wise/foolish virgins with/without oil. Not sure how you're trying to tie it in with the subject at hand.

    However, the angels may take on human form. We aren't sure of the extent of this transformation. They may imitate human speech, human appearance, and consume human food. Sexual relations are obviously different; but we aren't told the limits of this corporeal form.

    You'll have to explain how. Saying that it does without saying how it does means nothing. I request that you explain yourself so that we may discuss, rather than declaring the case closed based on nothing.

    You're not Evangelist, are you? He also got "whom" and "who" mixed up as well.

    Again, merely saying that it can't happen is not explaining why. Like I said, I am not sure of the matter myself, but I have to admit that with the attitude projected in this OP, I automatically want to disagree with you. This would obviously be the wrong answer, so I will try and keep an open mind in this discussion.
     
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    The faithful angels certainly are pure and holy and do not engage in sexual relations nor do they marry and produce children. The fallen angels however, are in rebellion to God in every possible way and perverted sex as well as lies, murder, hatred, foul language, and every other sin mentioned in the Bible they can and do both in their realm and through human beings they tempt.

    The 'sons of god' in Genesis 6 were the fallen angels who mated with human women. This is not only possible it is highly public but most people do not know what they are seeing when confronted with it.

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    (Note: I must hasten to add I do not believe that people with serpentine eyes are lizards under the skin. They are demonic, not space aliens.)

    The idea that the 'sons of God' were the offspring of Abel and the 'daughters of men' were the offspring of Cain is a ridiculous notion. Why would all the men be good and all the women be evil? That makes no sense.

    But this cohabitation of evil spirits with humans is a big part the reason why God wiped out all of the human race except Noah & his family. Mankind had been mongrelized by the devils. They did this again in Canaan, slowly doing the same thing to the Canaanites that they had done to the people before the flood, and once again, they corrupted humans so much so that God commanded the Hebrews to wipe them out...every man, woman, and child.

    The Anakim, Emim, and Zamzumim were all offspring of the fallen ones. Goliath of Gath and his sons were also.

    Haven't any of you ever wondered why God's judgment was so harsh, even as it concerns the infants that lived in Canaan? It was because the land was full of Rosemary's Baby's, that's why.

    After I had given a public seminar on spiritual warfare and deliverance in a nearby city in 1991 I was sent a letter by a woman who apparently had been there and she quite frankly told me of her experience of being raped by an invisible entity. She could not stop it nor fend it off. That was stunning to read. I was just beginning to learn of the reality of this matter.

    Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    The angels which kept not their first estate were the fallen angels and they are connected by the Holy Spirit with what happened to the people at Sodom, who went after 'strange flesh'; evil spirits that appear as human to engage in sexual relations with humans. They can and do produce offspring.

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    I swallowed hard when I first read the account by Governor Winthrop of Massachussetts Bay Colony in the 1640's when the leaders of the church were confronted with Anne Hutchinson and her companion Mary Dryer. Winthrop was known as a man not given to exaggeration. But the two heretics attempted to lead the congregation away from the Lord and were eventually kicked out of the church and the colony. The authorities listed 30 heresies that they were guilty of. After being removed from membership of both the church and the colony the real secrets of the two rebels were revealed; Anne Hutchinson gave birth to a thing that was delivered in 30 pieces. Mary Dyer however, gave birth to a monster that Winthrop described as 'the most hideous form one ever conceived of..." with scales, thorns protruding from its body and no head. Its face was embedded in its abdomen.

    In the years subsequent to reading what Winthrop said I received the letter I mentioned above and at least twice I and my fellow counselors have seen females raped (or at least attempted rapes) by invisible spirits right in front of us. We had to pray that the Holy Spirit would stop the awful, ugly thing that was taking place before our eyes. He did answer and both females were delivered. The first one was in 1994 and the second occurred in 2006. I lost touch with the first lady but the second one is here with us and is perhaps the best Christian in our congregation. The Lord wonderfully delivered her.

    The idea that angels do not engage in sexual relations nor can they produce offspring is a wrong and an unbiblical notion. The Bible teaches that they can and will mingle with the seed of men....in order to corrupt human blood lines and change the very biological nature of man.


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    What you are seeing above are the offspring of demonic spirits who mated with humans. There are many other examples I can (& might) post. The first one is called the 'Star Child' skull found in Mexico in the 1930's as compared with a normal human skull on the right. It's DNA revealed that it had a human mother but not a human father.

    http://www.starchildproject.com/#
     
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    Good grief angels having sex. Might as well believe in big foot and ufo's. The reason angels do not have sex is not because of purity. It is because they are not sexual beings. They were not made to procreate which is the purpose in which God made us that way.
     
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    A few more illustrations as to what I said above:

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    This woman appeared on French national television to discuss her physical malady. It is not fake.

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    Such children as this often are stillborn or die very soon after birth.

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    A vast array of very unusual skulls that are not human nor ape can be found at

    http://search.aol.com/aol/image?s_it=topsearchbox.image&v_t=clpromo1&q=skulls+with+unusual+anomalies

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    I can give more examples if necessary. As far as I have been able to determine, none of the above are hoaxes.
     
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    I respect you sir for you are a good man. But you need to re-evaluate your position on this matter. I was not joking nor exaggerating about the two women that my fellow counselors and I saw raped by invisible entities. It is a reality that made us feel thunderstruck when we saw it the first time.

    Best wishes.
     
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    Sounds like an XXX rated horror movie. Sorry I don't buy it. Hollywood might though.
     
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    It doesn't matter if you 'buy it' or not. These facts are a reality and if you are ever confronted with it like I was years ago it will change your whole way of thinking about the demonic realm as taught in scripture and verses like Jude 1:6-7 will become exceedingly clear to you.
     
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    Verses 6 and 7 are two separate examples given they are not speaking of the same people.
     
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    You are not correct about this. How could you be so close to the scriptures as it concerns OldRegular and Iconoclast and so far away on this matter? Hmm.


    Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day....NOW NOTICE....


    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


    The connecting threads between the angels that 'left their first estate' and the sodomites who fooled around with 'strange flesh' you missed.

    Do you believe I was lying when I mentioned the two women we saw raped (perhaps better put: attempted rape)?
     
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    I'm not wrong. verse 6 is about angels. Verse 7 is about men.

    As far as your XXX rated demonic claim I have no idea what you were doing. Maybe you were doing acid at the time. What I do believe is your story if outright false.
     
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    I wish to request us to stick to scriptures as opposed to our subjective experiences.you know there is also enough 'proof' there was no moon landing, Chemtrails, Bildersberg, New World Order and so forth
     
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    I just gave the scriptures, Jude 1; 6-7. TWICE.:thumbsup:

    I said nothing about a fake moon landing, chemtrails, or Bilderberg. So why go there?
     

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