Something fishy is going on...

Some people can be easily manipulated by the charlatans. I have actually heard some of those bozos brag about how many came forward and how they can get so many to come forward. If you say the right words most anyone will come forward. It's not rocket science. Just the ways of Robert Tilton. The proof of salvation is disciples not noses.

Remember how many Jesus called and how many actually came to follow Him?

 

I am in a Hyles church, and we are still waiting. Interestingly enough though, we are witnessing things that seem to be pointing to something being amiss. There are some late teens/early twenty-somethings that have been reached and that were originally unchurched. They are catching a 'fire' that I have never witnessed before, and I believe that it is starting to bring a revival fire to the old fogeys.

 

It had better be taught that the Lord only saves you ONCE.

We are to make our calling and election SURE.

I know some try to put so much pressure on the congregation to "get more saved", that they will even look the people in the face and decalre, (as if they have some special discernment ), "You're not saved!"

I do know many have been deceived into only thinking they're saved because the adversary, the devil is quite deceiving, that is why REPENTENCE MUST be preached!

The kind of repentence that is wrought out of godly sorrow, that NOT to be repented of.

And I would definitely be careful of what I said about other churches and moves of God, especially since i am not there to witness, nor am I, or anyone other than Godf the judge of another's salvation.

II Cor 7

 

Yep, agree. Since they are church members, teachers, etc. to start with, they must be preaching you can lose your salvation, or maybe even that it wasn't real in the first place. I wonder if they are also rebaptizing the 'new converts', or will they consider that part to be more permanent. amazinglove92, it does sound as if something fishy is going on.

 

There are two things that make me put on my "distrusting" hat: When a politician quotes Lincoln, and when a church claims "a new Great Awakening".

 

Something is radically wrong with this picture! Personally, I believe that you should stay away from those people lest you get infected.

 

I don't know, amazinglove92. It is hard to say if the incidents can be attributed to the preaching/teaching of unsound doctrine, or if it is simply a massive reconciliation on the part of the church. There have been situations of church-wide revivals; and these can start with a simple "Brother (or Sister), Forgive me for _____ (you fill in the blank). They have usually followed an especially poignant sermon or service where the working of the Holy Spirit was clearly evident (i.e., the last person in the church that you would expect to step forward or reach out in reconciliation). In these cases it has been reconciliation, or revival. If the church is proclaiming that the individuals are getting saved because they were never saved, then I would definately question the doctrine being taught. Sounds like something may have creeped in from the outside, possibly even from another denomination.

God bless.

 

Whenever I come to this board I ALWAYS learn something new. I'm an old Southern Baptist and don't know alot about other Baptist faiths, but tell me this if you don't mind..... what is a Hyles group???

 

Our pastor is a graduate of Hyles-Anderson College, a Bible College in Crown Point, IN. He basically is an adherent to the philosopy of the college. Jack Hyles was SBC, then struck out on his own and started an independent church, and subsequently, the college associated with the church. As is the case with most pastors that start and grow a large church (in Hyles case, First Baptist of Hammond, IN), he was subject to much scrutiny and controversy. Just run a web search on Jack Hyles and you will come up with volumes of information (both critical and praising). I will not exalt any man, dead or alive. I am Berean in my bible study. The same can be said of reading information regarding someone that has been influential in the lives of many Christians, and especially Baptists. To date, I have not encountered any problems with my Pastor's stance. There are some points that we disagree on; however, it does not adversely impact my fellowship within the church. This is probably true of the majority of our members; however, I have noticed that the congregation is moving more toward the Pastor's philosophy, and we are the better for it.

God bless.

 

Can't recall if it was a Barna survey, or some other source that I read, but it seems that just a few years ago, something came out revealing only about 25% of any church was born again (or on their way to heaven). I checked the Barna web site and couldn't find the information. If I recall the statistics correctly, this even included Mormons, Catholics, etc. Who are the 'most' that estimated only 15% of his church was born again, and is the study available for perusal? I am not a 'Hyles' man (never heard him preach, nor attended any event at FBC Hammond), but I am interested in this type of information considering that my Pastor is a graduate of the college.