Featured Song of Solomon

As much as I respect the intellect of Aaron, I have learned that scripture is only permitted to be metaphorical, allegorical or contain hyperbole, when he (and any other number of "sages") will permit.

 

Good points.
Personally, I am weirded out by people who make this out to be seemingly pornographic, or discuss the carnal thoughts experienced when they read this Book of the Bible. The Song of Solomon is not about fornication.

Regards,
BiR

 

:thumbs: You mean like metaphor?

Consider songs that are wholly allegory (which is merely an extended metaphor):

Morning Has Broken
This Old House
In the Garden
Psalm 23
etc. (these are just what pop into my head at the moment)​

But marriage and nuptial pleasures, though actual events, are themselves allegory of God, Christ, the Holy Ghost and the Church.

And you're fortunate. 1) Because you truly love her unconditionally, and love believes all things, (which is unlikely, as I have never met such a man) or 2) You love her because she is lovely despite the corruptions of the flesh (which I think is more likely, as, according to Solomon, it's the virtuous woman that a husband praises, and that is what I have seen without exception.)

And, I might add, that for women, growing old is ever more harsh on them, because to be seen as beautiful and dignified they must possess greater degrees of faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, kindness and charity than do men.

Just talking about the outward appearance of things. (Sorry, but that's the reality.)

So, for the Song to be universal, it has to be allegory. The physical features and ornaments in which the bridegroom delights metaphorical of graces and virtues.

 

The sexual relationship within the bounds of marriage is not fornication.

 

When I said "literal" I didn't mean every single detail was 100% literal truth. By "literal", referring to SoS, I mean that it is actually a song about (or by) the two lovers. That is the primary, and I think intended meaning of the Song. There is nothing within the book that I see that indicates it is to be taken wholly metaphorically.

Can you make the application top Christ and the church? Sure!
Same as you can make the application of Joshua leading the Children of Israel into the Promised land to Jesus leading the Church to our Eternal Promised Land. But that wasn't the intention.

Truth. :thumbsup:

Not sure your point here, but yes I do love my wife unconditionally. And not because she's attractive. She is a virtuous woman and I feel she exemplifies Proverbs 31.

Your opinion. I disagree.

No one said it's about fornication. It can be about sex without it being porneia.

 

WARNING! This video is vulgar!

Your question reminded me of this video I ran across quite by accident (honestly) last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEkx7P3PNUQ

 

Good so far.

Sure it was. Christ and the church is why marriage was created. It's why anything was created.

Yeah, the wording got away from me on that one.

You're the first man with whom I've been in contact that does. I mean, you're not the first one to say he does, and believe he does, but if you actually do love her unconditionally, then I think you're the first one.

Who couldn't love such an one? See what I mean? Imagine a bitchy couch potatoe. Think you'd feel the same way? That's why I say your love is conditional.

You just said that the true beauty of your wife was her virtue and grace, and that even if she isn't as physically ravishing as the loved one in the Song, you could say she is all fair.

So, looks like you do agree. :thumbs:

 

Notice that I didn't accuse anyone in this comment I made - and you reproduced. As a matter of fact, I was very careful not to accuse anyone. I simply noted that I am weirded out by those who do. Your second sentence is precisely the point I was making.

Regards,
BiR

 

It is obvious that a Calvinist did NOT write the Song of Solomon because the subject in chapter one is ASKING to be drawn, instead of being forcefully drawn. Finish 5th grade before you tackle this book. More Bible, less astronomy.

 

WOW!

 

Why is she asking?

Your people shall be volunteers In the day of Your power; in the beauties of holiness, from the womb of the morning, You have the dew of Your youth.

Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.

For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God-and righteousness and sanctification and redemption- that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the LORD."

More Bible, less worthless doctor's degrees.

 

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