Southern Baptists Split With Donald Trump On Refugee Resettlement

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    Southern Baptists are one of the most reliably Republican religious groups in the U.S. But in a week when the party's presumptive presidential nominee has expanded on his proposal for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States, the Southern Baptist Convention is taking a different approach.

    During the annual meeting of Southern Baptist churches in St. Louis, participants weighed in on a variety of hot-button issues, among them the controversy over refugee resettlement.

    Participants voted to approve a resolution urging Southern Baptist churches and families to welcome refugees, affirming "that refugees are people loved by God, made in His image, and that Christian love should be extended to them as special objects of God's mercy in a world that has displaced them from their homelands."

    The resolution also called on the government to "implement the strictest security measures possible" in screening refugees applying to enter the country.


    http://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/482268688/southern-baptists-split-with-trump-on-refugee-resettlement
     
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    The US takes in about 70,000 refugees every year, and has for quite some time.

    But the virtue of the St Louis participants is duly noted.
     
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    Praise God for the remnant who want to follow HIS right instead of what a political party thinks is right. Shall they start taking a stand against the other injustices in society and place party politics on IGNORE.
     
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    Glad I left sbc. Tired of all. Much happier now.

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    I think that the error is in calling Islam a religion when it is more like nazism or communism with a theological side to an otherwise political and military international system. Russell Moore is an airhead but he relies on the SBC being mostly asleep on most issues until it is too late. Apologetics has always been a weakness of the SBC. The Apologetics division of the SBC machinery--once called the Interfaith Witness-- is part of the North America Missionary Board, which is still in the hands of the cultural Southern Baptist and noted for its tendency to veer to the left. If you don't believe me, visit Lifeway stores and look at all the garbage that they sell.

    I have to agree with Carpro that the resolution is legalistic and states that the refugees have to be screened--something that neither party is likely to do and in the case of many of the refugees impossible to be done because the countries that they originate from do not even know who they are.

    Russell Moore has given the SBC a bad name by saying that a ban is bad per se and by omitting to point out that Trump has mostly called for a temporary ban until things are sorted out. Any sovereign nation has a legal right to control immigration both temporarily and permanently.

    In the nineteenth century, Christianity ceased to teach apologetics so that we have tens of millions of Christians who don't know what they believe or why they believe it. A close examination of Islam would make clear that sharia law calls for death to gays and lesbians and ultimately death for Christians and Jews. The SBC errs in calling this a religious freedom issue when it is clearly a national security issue, but as Carpro pointed out above, the SBC managed to include a legal phrase calling for legitimate screening.

    The SBC should have also called for the end of the White House ramadan dinner party for all the swells and phonies up in Washington DC.
     
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    Islam, like a number of other religions, has historically had its primary expression in a situation where there is no separation of church and state, and the power of the state is often used to enforce a measure of conformity. Christianity put itself in a similar situation in much of Europe for nearly a thousand years.

    However, Islam does not require a theocracy to flourish, as we can see from the secular state of Turkey to the practice of Islam in the Western world.

    I dislike Russ Moore, but I have followed him for the better part of two decades and I have never heard anyone refer to him as less than intelligent. I have read his writings (and usually disagreed with them) for years, but they are not the product of an "airhead." This name-calling is reminiscent of the lack of critical thinking that seems to characterize followers of Trump.

    I spent the first 35 years of my life in the SBC - including a number of years when I was heavily into apologetics. Your assertion doesn't ring true at all.

    I was a certified Interfaith Witness Associate in several categories and was quite familiar with the program. I didn't notice any "cultural" Southern Baptists nor left-leaning persons. In fact, most of the people involved were well to the right of center.

    Non sequitur. The products on the shelves at Lifeway stores has no direct connection to the NAMB. I'm not a fan of Lifeway or their merchandise either, but let's not make stuff up.

    There is a screening process in place. Moreover, it is easier to enter the US just about any other way than to go through the screening process as a refugee.

    Russ Moore is pointing out that discriminating against someone on the basis of their religious faith is completely against historic Baptist beliefs and the call of Jesus.

    If you want to go against Christian and Baptist principles, then YOU are the cultural Baptist Christian - someone who wears the name but does not believe.

    False assertion.

    There are multiple reasons why people don't know what they believe, but it is not primarily because of the alleged lack of apologetics training.

    I'm not a fan of the SBC, but they made the right call here. I'm proud of them for not giving in on this issue to the cultural Christianity that plagues our nation.

    I'm not a fan of the government agencies recognizing religious holidays, but if they are going to recognize Christian holidays, then they should recognize holidays of other faiths since the United States is a religiously diverse nation.
     
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    [​IMG][​IMG] Well said.
     
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    Not really. A text without a context is a pretext, as you both know. Any nodding acquaintance with Turkey shows that they are sinking back into sharia law. So far it has been mostly the Peronist Pope Francis who has attacked Christianity out of admiration for the Peronist hero Benito Mussolini. Field Marshall Obama has lied to you.
     
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    You expect "they" to place party politics on an ignore list when that is the most indulgent of your own trinkets? What hypocrisy!
     
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    Oh, Christian leftist and Democrats do not engage in politics--only conservatives do that. The trouble with religious leftists is that they do not want to carry on a human being to human being conversation because they want to run a point of view to show that they do not care for you unless you agree with them. But what hope do they have? As Pope John Paul II said, I would like to ask the members of the communist party if they are the way they are because the way the world is or if the world is the way it is because the way that they are?
     
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    So say the radical "Christian" right on this board who swarm and devour like sharks when anyone challenges their POV.
     
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    You poor baby! You need a safe space where everyone agrees with your leftists ideas! Try Cape Cod.
     

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