Speaking in Tongues

Another "tongues" thread! We can't have enough of those can we?

I predict that the follwing will happen:

1) By page two it turn into DHK and Dr. Bob vs MEE, Tamborine Lady, and Co.

2) A fight over the definiton of "perfect".

3) At least one person will refer to the current tongues movement as "demonic"

4) Someone will insult Dr. Bob.

5) A warning will be issued.

6) DHK will post a well reasoned and Biblically solid argument that will be posted at least eight times.

6) No one will refute DHK's argument, at least one that will satisfy DHK.

7) And after this thread dies down, in three weeks someone else will open up an new tongues thread.

[ December 29, 2004, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: ChurchBoy ]

 

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Joseph Botwinick

 

I like John Kerry?

 

Yes, Churchboy. I agree with you that it was indeed vain babbling.

 

Looking good Amity, I'll give you up on your post.

The first church I attended after conversion was Assembly of God. On one night when singers Dean and Mary held a concert a person blared out speaking in tongues followed by an interpretation.
As usher I walked up to the front to get a closer look and said "That's not speaking in tongues." Somebody went whining to an associate pastor who then told the senior pastor. We all had a meeting where they requested I leave if I could not agree to their doctrine. I left with a smile on my face and they ended up with eggs on their faces.

They traded the gift of prophecy for counterfeit tongues, certainly their loss and my gain.

Speaking in tongues (gibberish) is counterfeiting the works of the Holy Spirit, and a serious transgression against God's holy Word.

 

Sure!..it says the Joseph Botwinick doesn't have the Spirit of God because if he did he wouldn't make fun of the gift given by our Creator. Acts 2:4

Shame on you "Joey."

MEE

 

Joseph, you need to quit mocking people.
Mee, please try not to respond, especially in a way that can be construed as questioning his salvation.

My goodness, I'm starting to think too many people are posting while on Holiday Sugar Highs. Hand over the sweets! I've had more posts reported to me in the last two days than all month long!

Gina

 

Per Gina

Yes Mee, Gina apparently only approves of this when it is directed towards Catholics.

This may seem hypocritical but I guess all of us suffer from a little hypocrisy.

 

Bless you BAC.
Gina

 

So BAC,

What do you think about speaking in tongues? What is the official Church position?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Here are some Catholic articles that discuss this, this site is a catholic encyclopedia not an apologetics site so I am not sure if it will pass the moderators edit test.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03588e.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14776c.htm

As I understand it the Church teaches in the gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues so I wouldn’t make fun of someone who claims to have the gift but I would caution anyone who claims to have the gift to seek spiritual guidance to make sure they weren’t be led by “undisciplined religious spirit (pneuma), or rather by frenzied emotions and not by the understanding (nous) of the Spirit of God”

The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume III

“What today purports to be the "gift of tongues" at certain Protestant revivals is a fair reproduction of Corinthian glossolaly, and shows the need there was in the primitive Church of the Apostle's counsel to do all things "decently, and according to order"

God Bless

 

Can you just give me the reader's digest version? Are they for it or against it in modern day times?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Asked and answered

Out of curiosity, exactly in what year did modern times start.

 

Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

 

Hello Amity.

I don't see anything in scripture that sets tongues up as a sign to the jews. Yes, tongues happened when the Holy Spirit fell at Penecost but that was the fulfillment of Jesus' promise that the Father would send His Spirit, not a sign in itself to the Jews or the Gentiles. Indeed, as you highlight, Paul makes the point that, compared to other gifts such as prophecy, tongues is not an effective sign to unbelievers.

It isn't correct that all charismatic churches teach the above. Some do, but, as far I can see, the biblical position is that, whilst tongues is a very common gift, it isn't one that everyone will have, and it certainly isn't the only gift that one would expect to be mainifested when someone is baptised in the Holy Spirit

I don't know NT Greek so I can't get into why 'spirit' isn't capitalised or indeed whether this accurately reflects the Greek. However I cannot see how you draw the conclusion that Paul is suggesting that people are speaking with the spirit of the devil. Can I say with all respect and gentleness that I do think that anyone needs to tread carefully and thoughtfully before suggesting that someone apparantly speaking with the spirit of God is actually speaking with the spirit of the Devil. That does seem to me to be very dangerous ground if it actually really is God at work.

Where is the context to suggest that Paul is referring to anything but actual prophecies?

Being an active part of the body of Christ is essential for any believer but I don't see how you can assume that people who use the gifts of the Spirit are doing things 'that we know in our heart of hearts is not of the Holy Spirit or pleasing to God'.

 

What about:

Isaiah 28:11
For by people of strange lips
and with a foreign tongue
the Lord will speak to this people,

 

Near here there is a Catholic Charasmatic Church, so I am tipping that they are fine with the idea of speaking in Toungues.