Spirit of Prophecy, Testimony of Jesus

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  1. vooks

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    I had desired One Baptist to answer this but it appears he is both busy and happy to respond. So to relieve my beloved brother of this task, am now opening it to everyone here.

    Revelation 12:17 (ESV)
    17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelation 19:10 (ESV)
    10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.



    What is 'testimony of Jesus' also known as the 'spirit of prophecy'?
     
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    I've always accounted the testimony of Jesus to be equivalent with salvation. In terms of language, it seems akin to Paul stating "I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus."

    The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy in that prophecy was a pointer to us toward salvation. Salvation through Jesus Christ is the end-point, or culmination, of prophecy. Of course, not all prophecy points to salvation, but neither does all preaching. The spirit of the text remains.

    Does that make sense?
     
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    I will again state that Prophecy is in view and the writer is telling us that Prophecy has life through Christ. You are making the Testimony of Jesus the subject being defined. Do we have the "spirit of prophecy" when we witness for Christ? Or does Prophecy always have the Testimony of Jesus?

    Think about it: what prophecy does not center on Christ?


    God bless.
     
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    Rev 19
    I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    Rev 22

    9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

    1 Cor 12 - the gift of prophecy is one of the gifts of the Spirit.
     
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    The testimony of Jesus, aka the spirit of prophecy, is what Ellen White does not have.

    EGW is more than a false prophet, she is both an enchanter and witch who has cast a spell over her disciples by the power of her master, Satan.

    There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
    11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.


    Consider this particular prophetic delusion: There is soon coming a day when Sabbath- keepers (Adventists) will be persecuted, imprisoned and even executed when the imaginary mandatory National Sunday Worship Law is enacted.

    Anyone with a modicum of intelligence is aware that the general population could care less what day religious folk worship their God/gods.

    The repeal of Sunday Blue laws is but one testimony to that fact.

    Who will be the advocates of the imaginary National Sunday Law……the LGBTs, the Atheists, the Feminists, the anti-government Militia, the Charismatics, the Baptists, the 1%, or the 99% who are attempting to eke out a living?

    Perhaps it will be the Catholics who have many members in Congress.

    I’m sure they will have no trouble passing such an unconstitutional law considering the resounding success they have displayed by sitting on their hands for the past several years while the country is on the verge of economic collapse.

    No doubt a National Sunday Law will jump to the top of their 'To Do List' when introduced.

     
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    The testimony of Jesus is the gospel, nothing more nothing less. It's not mysterious.
     
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    You could have attempted to explain the relevance of your scriptures. Thank you for your post.
     
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    There is something I noticed
    Revelation 1:9 (KJV)
    I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ


    John had been banished to Patmos for the TESTIMONY OF JESUS.
    This tells me;
    1. TESTIMONY OF JESUS was something the apostle and the first century believers possessed
    2. Back then, there was immense Christian persecution and it appears TESTIMONY OF JESUS is Christian Faith, that Jesus is the Messiah, risen from the death
     
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    My brother,
    What is the connection between testimony of Jesus and Ellen White?
     
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    Revelation 12:17 (ESV)
    17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelation 19:10 (ESV)
    10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.



    What is 'testimony of Jesus' also known as the 'spirit of prophecy'? Rev 19
    I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    Rev 22

    9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

    1 Cor 12 - the gift of prophecy is one of the gifts of the Spirit.

    These texts explain perfectly that the Spirit of Prophecy is the Testimony of Jesus - and that prophecy is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit such that the Angel claims to be among those that has the Testimony of Jesus - the Spirit of prophecy and "OF your brethren the prophets".

    If the question is -- what is that gift of Prophecy --

    The Bible does answer it. God gives them direct messages -

    Numbers 12
    6 And HE said, Hear now My Words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

    And "obviously" Ellen White claimed direct messages from God via visions and dreams.


    [FONT=&quot]1 Cor 14[/FONT]
    1. [FONT=&quot]Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. [/FONT]3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]22 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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    1 Thess 5[/FONT]
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    19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.[/FONT]

    (Give me the Bible AND the words IN the Bible)
     
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    There is a response I had shared with One Baptist. Let me repeat it.
    Revelation 19:10 (KJV)
    And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    Here the angel is a fellow of;
    1. John
    2. His brethren who have the testimony of Jesus
    Revelation 22:9 (KJV)
    Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God


    Here the angel is a fellow of;
    1. John
    2. His brethren the prophets
    3. Them who keep the sayings of the book

    So we have three distinct groups here with the last being those who keep the sayings. It is absurd to claim that the John and his brethren don't keep the sayings because this is ONLY said of the third group

    The angel is simply saying 'am a servant just like you are as a believer, a prophet', anything else is reading into the text. And no, the angel never claimed to have the testimony of Jesus any more than he claimed to be keeping the sayings of the book.

    Now, can you quickly summarize what you just said by answering this,


    Are prophets the ONLY class possessing the testimony of Jesus?
     
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    Somewhat convoluted vooks -- too convoluted for me - I prefer the Bible where there is no such thing as "those who are prophets do not keep the sayings of this book" in the actual text.

    The question is not "how many groups of people are there in the Bible"

    The question is "what is the Spirit of prophecy" --

    17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelation 19:10 (ESV)
    10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.



    What is 'testimony of Jesus' also known as the 'spirit of prophecy'? Rev 19
    I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    Rev 22

    9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
     
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    I got that route because we have BobRyan claiming that the
    angel has the testimony of Jesus.

    If I ask another question, it is because you lead me to that by your answer. If the question is irritating, please leave it

    Are prophets the ONLY class having/possessing testimony of Jesus?
     
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    I am going with the Bible on this one - if you want to come up with your own definition for 'The Testimony of Jesus" -- write a book - let us know -- see if anyone quotes you.

    or else - address the texts posted.

    Meanwhile - back to the actual Bible.

    Revelation 19:10 (ESV)
    10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


    Rev 22

    9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    And that gift to the body ceased after the canon of scriptures, as there was no more need to confirm apostolic teachings after that happened, and the office of One ceased with John passing, as there has been NO additional revelation from God since Revelation!
     
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    BobRyan,
    Do you have the testimony of Jesus?
     
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    Bob, do me a favor and speak about the "spirit of Prophecy."

    What does "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of Prophecy" mean?


    God bless.


    God bless.
     
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    Did ellen White have that "spirit of prophecy", even though she made many wrong statements?
     
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    No doctrine claimed by Ellen to have been affirmed by God in vision or dream has been shown to contradict the Bible.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    They are innumerable.
    1. That the sanctuary earthly/heavenly is DEFILED by confessed sins
    2. That Christ entered the holy of Holies long AFTER he ascended
    3. That negroes descended from apes vide beastiality
     
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