Stopping the spread of deadly assault weapons

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  1. poncho

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    In January, Senator Feinstein will introduce a bill to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devices.


    To receive updates on this legislation, click here.

    Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

    • Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
      • 120 specifically-named firearms;
      • Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
      • Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
    • Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
      • Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
      • Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
      • Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
    • Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
    • Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
      • Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
      • Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
      • Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
    • Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
      • Background check of owner and any transferee;
      • Type and serial number of the firearm;
      • Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
      • Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
      • Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.
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  2. mont974x4

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    As I said after the CT shooting, they will be making criminals out of law abiding citizens over night.

    There is no logic, no reason, no common sense behind this ban.
     
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    Its never going to happen.
     
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    Help me out here-----to solve the delemma of limited capacity magazines---all one merely has to do is to "DucK" tape two mags together on opposite ends for rapid reload of mags---just like the GI's did with their M-16's in 'Nam

    What is a "bullet button"-----I'm not caught up on that lingo

    What is a one character test??---again---I need to get caught up on the lingo
     
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    This one will likely not pass. That does not mean we won't be seeing a very strict knee jerk move to control firearms.

    If you haven't started yet, contact your congressmen and urge them to stand for freedom.
     
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    That'll only work with mags that extend below the mag well. Most pistol mags are entirely enclosed within the mag well so taping them together is impossible. I have seen 8 round .22 caliber mags fitted together by sharing a common baseplate though. They're called "flip clips".

    I imagine any mag could be made into a "flip clip" with the right glue or silver solder.

    I haven't a clue unless Senator Feinstein is referring to the forward assist found on AR 15 type rifles.

    A "character" is that part of a gun that makes it look like a scary "military" weapon. Pistol grip, flash hider, muzzle break, black plastic instead of wood, etc.

    Here's a link to an explanation of section 922r. This part of the 94 ban was confusing to say the least.

    It was easy to find AKs and SKSs that were "compliant" under the ban. All that was needed to overcome the ban was to replace some original parts with American made parts.

    Some gun parts manufacturers made quite the name for themselves doing this.

    One such manufacturer was Krebs Kustom

    I don't think that made Senator Feinstein very happy. What's she's trying to do with this legislation is close the "loop holes" in the 94 ban. Closing "loop holes" is what people like Senator Feinstein call restricting more of our freedoms.
     
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    Had to look those up myself. The "characteristic" thing means that a semi-automatic weapon accepts a detachable magazine and two or more "cosmetic" alterations, such as a pistol grip, flash suppressor, or a bayonet mount (there's a list).

    The "bullet button" was a device that attaches to an AR-15, AK, or some other types of semi-autos that prevents the magazine release from working normally. Place this device over the magazine release, and it requires the use of a bullet or other tool to change the magazine. It was meant to take advantage of a loophole in the California gun restriction laws.
     
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    EGAD! I agree with you!

    Congress KNOWS this is the most toxic issue that could possibly arise for them.

    It ain't gonna happen.
     
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    The House of Reps will never pass it.
     
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    Never knew about the "bullet button" before Don. Most of this stuff makes no sense at all. A piece of tape and a ball bearing would defeat this devise in about a minute. Or even a little nubbin on the bottom of the magazine will do the trick like this one HERE.
     
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    I think you'll see some senators that will break ranks and turn red on this issue.
     
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    Unless the House of Reps passes it its a no go.
     
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    OK, gotcha, well now, don't that make a bunch of senators feel all better..... :)

    [edit to add] I think you'll see reps break ranks and turn red on this issue.... :)
     
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    Feinstein & Cuomo Admit Planning Australian Style Government Gun Buy Back

    News that a mandatory, government sponsored gun buy back scheme is in the planning stages emerged last Friday.

    Friday is well known as the day of the week in the news cycle to release information or statements that is unusually controversial or ” bad news” , the theory being that the general public will be so distracted by the upcoming weekend that they will pay little if any attention.

    Exploiting this common practice, word emerged at the end of last week that Congresswoman Dianne Feinstein and NY State Gov Andrew Cuomo are actively working on a planned govt fiat to seize lawfully owned private property without cause. In the form of an Australian style MANDATORY firearms buy back program, going so far as to tout that Countries program and so called positive results, while conveniently omitting the fact that Australia’s violent crime rate dramatically increased in the wake of the scheme and continues unabated.

    While details are scant in both Feinstein’s and Cuomo’s press release on the plan, Cuomo was quoted as making it clear that the buyback would be compulsory and participation mandatory. Although it remains a question what the penalties for non compliance would be.

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    Also worthy of note is Dianne Feinstein’s previous quotes on the news program 60 Minutes several years ago. During her interview with Mike Wallace about the 1994 to 2004 Clinton Era “Assault Weapons Ban” , where Feinstein lamented the fact she felt the law didn’t go far enough and stated “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.”

    This is the same Feinstein who admitted in another, different interview that when she felt threatened by terrorists, she carried a gun for self defense and stated “I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.” — 27 April 1995.


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    But Wait there's more!


    Feinstein’s ‘Assault Weapon’ Ban is Really Handgun Ban in Disguise


    After all the Democrats’ emphasis the dangers of so-called “assault weapons,” the details of Senator Dianne Feinstein’s pending assault weapons ban show that her real goal is to ban handguns.That’s right, after all the criticism of the AR-15 and the holier-than-thou speeches about how no one needs a military-style rifle with a 30-round magazine the details of the ban betray a gun grab that includes semi-automatic pistols that use “a detachable magazine” and have “one military characteristic.”

    This can only mean that the most popular handguns in the world for both civilian and military use are being targeted. These would include Glocks, Sig Sauers, Smith & Wesson M&Ps, H&K, and Colt, yet would by no means be limited to these handguns alone.

    Ironically, I was just talking to a friend this morning about how the “assault weapons” ban is just way for the Democrats to get their foot in the door and ban handguns. And now, before the legislation is even introduced, they’ve gone ahead and shown their hand.

    But an even bigger problem lurks — right now the focus is only on “assault weapons” and semi-auto handguns, however, as soon as a public crime is committed with a double-action revolver, Feinstein and Co. will try to add those to the list as well.

    The bottom line: If we are foolish enough to embrace a ban on any weapon in the coming Congress then we are unwittingly embracing a ban on every weapon.
    The Democrats cannot be trusted with our freedoms, and they will politicize every tragedy to accomplish their ends.
    Proof of this lies in the fact that Feinstein was just waiting for a open door to push a gun ban anyway. In other words, this isn’t because of Sandy Hook. Reports from early Nov. 2012 were already indicating the she planned to push a assault weapons ban if Obama were re-elected.

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    It never needs to brought to the house. Obama can order the BATFE to reclassify semi autos as class II weapons.

    Obama Bypassing Congress on Guns?






     
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    It never needs to be brought to the house. Obama can order the BATF to reclassify semi autos as class II weapons. Obama believes his authority comes from the UN and the international community not the constitution of the United States or the people. If he can start a war (Libya) without consulting congress (citing the International Community as his authority to do so) and get away with it what's to stop him from banning semi autos without consulting congress?

    He can always say . . ."the UN and the International Community made me do it" and the house would stumble and bumble around flapping their jaws and do nothing like the self neutered entity it has become.

    Obama Bypassing Congress on Guns?
     
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    This legislation is being written by people that know nothing about guns.

    All they're doing is making a political statement.

    None of their recommendations will save even one life.
     
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    I don't believe the senate will either.
     
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    I do believe that Poncho has a point. (sshhhh don't tell him I said that) but when it does not pass by legislative means Obama will sidestep the constitution once again and find some end run around that and try to get it done another way.
     
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    If he can, he will.

    He considers the constitution as nothing more than a paper obstacle to enacting his personal agenda.
     
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    Feinstein's Gun Control Bill Will Trigger The Next American Revolution

    Revolution? Yes, it all sounds rather “extreme”, but the cold hard reality of our era is not going to comfort us with diplomacies and niceties, so honestly, why should I have to sugar coat anything? We live in extreme times and there is no longer room for prancing around the ultimate consequences of that which is taking place in America today. This country is increasingly sliding towards the edge of internal conflict. The Liberty Movement and true Constitutionalists see it, subsections of Republicans and Democrats see it, and most of all, the federal government sees it. In fact, they may even be counting on it.

    Over the past two years alone, multiple draconian policies have been enacted through executive order by the Obama Administration which build upon the civil liberty crushing actions of George W. Bush and press far beyond. The Patriot Acts, the FISA domestic spy bill, the bailouts of corrupt international banks, attempts at CISPA and SOPA, actions like the NDAA authorizing the treatment of U.S. citizens as “enemy combatants” without rights to due process; all paint a picture so clear only a one-celled amoeba (or your average suburban yuppie) would not see it. You and I, and everyone else for that matter, have been designated potential targets of the state. Our rights have been made forfeit.

    There is no ambiguous or muddled separation between the citizenry and the government anymore. The separation is absolute. It is undeniable. It is vast. It is only a matter of time and momentum, and eventually there will be unbridled oppression, dissent, and conflict. All that is required is a trigger, and I believe that trigger has arrived

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    "European and other U.N. delegates who support the arms trade treaty told Reuters on condition of anonymity they hoped Newtown would boost support for the convention in the United States, where gun control is an explosive political issue."

    "Newtown has opened the debate within the United States on weapons controls in ways that it has not been opened in the past," Abramson said, adding that "the conversation within the U.S. will give the (Obama) administration more leeway."


    The UN has always claimed that their small arms treaty would NOT restrict private gun ownership in the U.S., and that it only deals with the international trade of illicit arms. Yet, they try to use gun control actions in the face of Sandy Hook as a rationale for reopening negotiations? They can't have it both ways. Either they are trying to tie the treaty to domestic gun ownership in the U.S, or they aren't. Will our government sign on to an international agreement to restrict private gun ownership on top of Feinstein's gun grab bill?

    To put this in the most basic terms: registration and restriction equals revolution. Count on it. It is not a matter of what we "want", it is a matter of what is necessary. Without a citizenry armed with weapons of military application, we lose our last deterrent to tyranny, and thus, we lose everything. When backed into a corner, a victim has two options: he can lie down and die, or, he can fight regardless of the odds. Sadly, this is where we are in America; fear, servitude, subservience, or civil war.


    Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws - Edward Abbey

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