I labored through the 16 pages of post on "Strong Drink" and not one person posted the actual Baptist doctrine. Notice I did not say "discipline" - I said "doctrine". Those that do not know the difference need to first understand the difference between the two words. Most of these posters are argueing from things they've been taught in church or seminary and apparently don't actually know the "doctrine" but only the discipline taught by most Baptist. Please read "The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist" entitled "The Believer and Alcohol". The position of Southern Baptist is quite long and well reasoned and scripturally based. The short is answer given after several paragraphs of explanation ie "Can a person drink alcohol and be a Christian?" the answer is "yes". The truth is, no legitimate scholar, or teacher, or Christian denomination can use the Bible to uphold the position of "total abstinence". Does anyone believe that Methodist, Presbyterians, Luthearns, Catholics, Universalist, etc.etc. are all ignorant and cannot read the Bible? Or have no scholars that read Greek or Hebrew? A scholar that embraced the position of "total abstinence" based on scripture would be a laughing stock. The SB know this. It's a shame that the congregations don't know this. Some Baptist judge other Christians, falsely believing that Christians "don't drink" believing it's a doctrine from the Bible. Now, the teaching of total abstinence CAN be embraced and taught as a "discipline" ie a positition that is embraced for the good of society, or the good of the Church, or the concience of un-believers. The SB do not use the word "discipline" but thats what this teaching is. It's a shame that most Baptist are taught this by preachers, teachers, as a "doctrine". It certainly is not a doctrine of the Baptist. It is a social positition loosely based on selective scripture and the horrendous effects on society by alcohol. I do not drink,and do agree that it's a societal curse, especially among the young. As an aside, grape juice didn't exist until after the Civil war. A Mr. Welch invented it (Presbyterian or Methodist ??). Baptist resisted grape juice for communion and were the grealy opposed to it's use. Now the position is exactly reversed.