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Studying the Bible

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Craigbythesea, Mar 4, 2004.

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  1. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    Studying the Bible using nothing but the King James Translation of it is something like studying the geology of Mars using nothing but a pair of 8X binoculars. :eek: :D

    [​IMG] :rolleyes: [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    Objection your honor! Argumentative!
     
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  3. RaptureReady

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    1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
     
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    This is taken out of context: The natural man means an unsaved man; i.e. he doesn't have the Spirit, so he's a "natural man"...and since when does "the things of the Spirit of God" have to do with an almost 400 year old translation? It has everything to do with His regenerative work, etc.
     
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  5. Precepts

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    Why then does a Greek scholar use a dictionary to try and tell others what the Word of God says? Is it because w/o one he is left to himself and can know nothing? No. A man can have a KJB and a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance coupled with the Webster's 1828 Dictionary of the English Language and he'll never exhaust any of them. He then has a panoramic view of the things of God and is not subject to the bias exerted by the prideful, as the intial post in this thread is over-run with.
     
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  6. Precepts

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    This is taken out of context: The natural man means an unsaved man; i.e. he doesn't have the Spirit, so he's a "natural man"...and since when does "the things of the Spirit of God" have to do with an almost 400 year old translation? It has everything to do with His regenerative work, etc. </font>[/QUOTE]Please don't limit the verse to just the lost man, remember Paul is writing this Epistle to the carnal church of Corinth.

    Carnality causes the regenerate to be limited in his view to that of the natural man. The verse is applied to the lost, but it is written to the carnal and to reprove them.
     
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  7. Pastor Larry

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    Yet another hilarious inconsistency from Precepts. He decries Greek scholars who use a dictionary to tell us what God's word says while saying that all we need is a KJV with a Webster's 1828 Dictionary and a Strong's concordance (which has a Greek and Hebrew dictionary in teh back of it).

    Precepts ... seriously ... shoot straight with us here ... Do you even think about these things before you say them??

    On what possible grounds do you suggest that a Greek scholar is wrong to use a dictionary while a KJVO should use not only one but two dictionaries??? That makes no sense at all.

    BTW, how do you think that the translators of hte KJV knew what the words meant when they translated?? That's right ... ding ding ding ... we have a winner ... They used ... wait for it ... yes that's right ... a Dictionary ...

    Once again you show us that you have not really thought much about this issue. You are repeating nonsense that you have heard someone else say. THINK ABOUT IT ... Come on now ... let's get past this tripe youhave been posting ...

    BTW, let me repeat again that 1 Cor 2:14 has nothing to do with understanding hte language of the KJV. If it were about language, we woulnd't even need translations, we could just apply it to the Greek.
     
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  8. Craigbythesea

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    Precepts,

    I see that even you are not content with only a pair of 8X binoculars, but that you use a small telescope. [​IMG] Perhaps someday, maybe by accident :D , you will take a look through a larger telescope and get blessed so much by what you see that you will start following the news about Mars. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

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  9. Askjo

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    The spiritual man understands the things of God.

    The carnal man vaguely understands the things of God.

    The natural man does not understand the things of God.
     
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  10. Askjo

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    The spiritual man learns something from God.

    The carnal man learns something from God and a sinning man.

    The natural man learns something from the sinning man.
     
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  11. Craigbythesea

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    The foolish man learns foolishness and tries to teach it to others. :( :( :( :( :( :(
     
    #11 Craigbythesea, Mar 4, 2004
  12. Psalm 126:6

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    Studying the Bible without the King James version is like Christ dying on the cross without shedding any of his blood. The blood of the Lord Jesus is omitted around 15 times in many of the modern translations.
     
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    Which ones? I just checked a NIV and it only "omits" blood in one place - Colossians 1:14. However, it has a footnote saying some manuscripts have "through his blood". Once, is not 15 times last time I checked. Also, NASB and ESV were same as NIV as far as I could tell.
     
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    So the KJV by itself isn't enough? You need to have sources by fallible men besides?
     
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  15. Craigbythesea

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    What could possibly inspire a person to post false statements such as these on a Christian message board? :( One time does not come even close to “15 times.” :D The word blood is omitted in Col. 1:14 in many contemporary translation of the New Testament because the Greek manuscript evidence for it is very poor.

    What DO the “modern translations” say about the blood of the Lord Jesus? [​IMG] See the facts for yourself: :confused:

    -- King James
    Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    -- New King James
    Ephesians 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

    -- American Standard
    Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trepasses, according to the riches of his grace,

    -- Living Bible
    Ephesians 1:7 So overflowing is his kindness toward us that he took away all our sins through the blood of his Son, by whom we are saved;

    -- Revised Standard
    Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace

    -- New American Standard
    Ephesians 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

    -- New Jerusalem
    Ephesians 1:7 in whom, through his blood, we gain our freedom, the forgiveness of our sins.
    Such is the richness of the grace

    -- New American
    Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption by his blood, the forgiveness of transgressions, in accord with the riches of his grace

    -- New Revised Standard
    Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace

    -- Young's Bible
    Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the remission of the trespasses, according to the riches of His grace,

    -- Darby's Bible
    Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of offences, according to the riches of his grace;

    -- Weymouth's New Testament
    Ephesians 1:7 It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance - the forgiveness of our offenses - so abundant was God's grace,

    -- Webster's Bible
    Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    -- New Living Translation
    Ephesians 1:7 He is so rich in kindness that he purchased our freedom through the blood of his Son, and our sins are forgiven.

    -- International Standard Version
    Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our offenses, according to the riches of God's grace

    -- William's NewTestament
    Ephesians 1:7 It is through union with Him that we have redemption by His blood and the forgiveness of our shortcomings, in accordance with the generosity of His unmerited favor

    -- Montgomery New Testament
    Ephesians 1:7 It is in him we have deliverance, the forgiveness of our trespasses, through his blood;
     
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  16. TC

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  17. Craigbythesea

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    TC,

    Thank you for posting this!
     
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  18. Precepts

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    Yet another hilarious inconsistency from Precepts. He decries Greek scholars who use a dictionary to tell us what God's word says while saying that all we need is a KJV with a Webster's 1828 Dictionary and a Strong's concordance (which has a Greek and Hebrew dictionary in teh back of it).

    Precepts ... seriously ... shoot straight with us here ... Do you even think about these things before you say them??

    On what possible grounds do you suggest that a Greek scholar is wrong to use a dictionary while a KJVO should use not only one but two dictionaries??? That makes no sense at all.

    BTW, how do you think that the translators of hte KJV knew what the words meant when they translated?? That's right ... ding ding ding ... we have a winner ... They used ... wait for it ... yes that's right ... a Dictionary ...

    Once again you show us that you have not really thought much about this issue. You are repeating nonsense that you have heard someone else say. THINK ABOUT IT ... Come on now ... let's get past this tripe youhave been posting ...

    BTW, let me repeat again that 1 Cor 2:14 has nothing to do with understanding hte language of the KJV. If it were about language, we woulnd't even need translations, we could just apply it to the Greek.     </font>[/QUOTE]Whilst thou hast rattled on, HARMONY of the Scriptures has been maintained in said references, but that is simply not true by otherwise contradicting and inaccurate devices.

    Your last statement, if thou adherest to that line of thinking, thou hast also slashed thine own throat of rationality
     
    #18 Precepts, Mar 4, 2004
  19. Precepts

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    Precepts,

    I see that even you are not content with only a pair of 8X binoculars, but that you use a small telescope. [​IMG] Perhaps someday, maybe by accident :D , you will take a look through a larger telescope and get blessed so much by what you see that you will start following the news about Mars. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]     </font>[/QUOTE]I don't need a telescope to see the Son!
     
    #19 Precepts, Mar 4, 2004
  20. Precepts

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    So the KJV by itself isn't enough? You need to have sources by fallible men besides? </font>[/QUOTE]So, tc, did you learn anything from a dictionary or have you always been so....
     
    #20 Precepts, Mar 5, 2004
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