Subtle Racial Prejudice

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    Talking with an "only" in church and he looked at me and said, "Nothing good can come out of Africa." And he was serious.

    Documents from Turkey/Syria/Lebanon are good.
    Documents from Italy or Africa are evil.

    Is there a subtle prejudice here?
     
  2. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Where does that kind of idea come from?

    I think that is an underlying racial prejudice still hanging around and perhaps this is a symptom of it.
     
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    It's an idea a Baptist shouldn't have, nor support in any way.
     
  4. Ransom

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    "Nothing good can come out of Africa."

    I vaguely recall something similar being said of some town once. What was it? Oh yeah. Nazareth.
     
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    I don't see anything racial in it. Usually they are just talking about manuscripts. These kind of people are ill informed, and they may be racist, but I don't see anything in that particularly.
     
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    Looks like you might be right.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  7. Siegfried

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    I think it goes back to the idea that Ham was cursed, and his descendants populated Africa.

    There are obviously all sorts of problems with that, not the least of which is it was Canaan, Ham's son, who was cursed, not Ham himself.

    The view I've heard more commonly from KJVOs is that Egypt is a metaphor for the world in Scripture, and nothing good comes out of Egypt. Of course, that view implies that Jesus was somehow infected by worldliness in Egypt, but somehow the KJVOs conveniently ignore that fact (along with the innumerable other facts they ignore.)
     
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    Here's a prophecy that's come to pass in the last 35 years:

    Isaiah 19:17, KJV
    And the land of Judah shall be a terror unto Egypt, every one that maketh mention thereof shall be afraid in himself, because of the counsel of the LORD of hosts, which he hath determined against it.

    Egypt knows Israel could completely defeat them now in 3 days or less, and, much as some Egyptians hate israel, they know better than to start a rumble. They must suffer in silence. They're AFRAID of Israel!

    Has God punished Egypt? Yes, and severely!

    Ezekiel 29, KJV
    14 And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom.
    15 It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations.

    But, does GOD hate Egypt? Not according to His own words!

    Isaiah 19:21
    And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.

    Isaiah 19:25
    Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

    Plainly, God has something good for Egypt, as He says He will BLESS them.

    Thus, another KJVO attempt to come in through the side door (over the "Alexandrian" mss, I presume) is proven wrong by God's own words as translated into the KJV.
     
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    Yes, absolutely. That's got to be one of the most generalized and silly statements I've ever heard.
     
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    I agree with that ... but I can't see that it is racist ... at least in the context of Bible versions ...
     
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    Dr. Bob, since you were speaking to him personally, you, rather than we, are better able to determine whether any prejudice was involved and/or if there was anything racial. After nearly 20,000 posts, are you running out of stuff to say??? :confused: ;)

    And since this is in the versions forum, I feel bold to say that those who oppose KJVo need to meet it head-on, rather than use racial "guilt by association", as some of the replies appear to do. There is no more racism in one version camp than another, and the racism/version issues are not intimately tied together.
     
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    Actually, it was the KJVO to whom Dr. Bob was speaking who used GBA. Apparently, he'd forgotten about the Ethiopians whom God had blessed. Are Ethiopians not Africans?

    God blessed Obed-Edom who helped Jeremiah. And He specifically sent Philip to the Ethiopian official in Acts 8.

    That man's statement was a part of his great KJVO myth. In their search to find anyone and anything to give the slightest credence to their myth, the KJVOs aren't hesitant to make generalized statements which ignore the facts. The KJVOs generally won't admit to anything good coming out of Africa because they believe that would be an endorsement of the Alexandrian mss. They completely ignore the Scriptures posted from the KJV concerning Egypt in an earlier post in this thread. Yes indeed, the KJVOs are scraping the bottom of the barrel & still coming up empty.

    And his generalized statement about Africa DOES leave the possibility of a racist motive open. Perhaps Dr. Bob can get him to clarify, and until then I have nothing else to say about it.
     
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    I would imagine he was talking about the dark-age Jesuit mss.of North Africa;on that I can agree!

    And you are completely ignoring the FACT that you-or any other Alexandrian here- have NO scriptural support for Alexandrian(Hesychian) mss. or "bibles" from them.Not one verse!!!!
    Boo Ya!
     
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    And you have scripture to support KJVOism?

    Anti-A answer this for me:

    Where did the Septuagint come from?
     
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    It was not there in B.C.
     
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    Probably translated from the Vorlage text sometime in the 1st-2nd century BC.
     
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    How do you explain the Rylands Papyrus which date to the 2nd century BC?
     
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    Unsure about that Skan myself. The scrap of the Ryland Papyrus in the Chester Beatty library here in Dublin (pretty neat to see [​IMG] ) is dated 1st century AD. Are there older pieces?
     
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    Anti-alexandrian show me proof that Byzatine texts are right you can't the Bible never says anything about which manuscript is the right one.
     
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    From what I have read about the Dead Sea Scrolls, they appear to support the Alexandrian manuscripts. Does anyone else who has studied the DSS have any input on this?
     

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