Sunday Sabbath

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by ~JM~, Apr 4, 2014.

  1. ~JM~

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    Here's a question for you...does the denial of Sunday as the Christian sabbath make you antinomian?

    Thank you,

    jm
     
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    Since when is Sunday considered to be "the Christian Sabbath" in the first place?

    Every Biblical passage I've ever come across never mentions Sunday as "a day of rest," which is what the term "Sabbath" means.

    Moreover, I've never come across any Biblical passage that states that, when referring to a certain day of the week, "Sabbath" was considered to be on any other day of the week but on the seventh day of the week--our modern-day Saturday.

    If you can supply me with very specific Bible passages (book, chapter, & verse) where God's Word clearly indicates that Christians in Bible times actually observed such a thing you call "a Christian Sabbath," I'd be grateful if you would post these passages as a reply in this thread.

    Thank you.
     
  3. Earth Wind and Fire

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    could you explain what an antinomian is?
     
  4. ~JM~

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    Well, I've been told it goes something like this...the Decalogue was given to Moses...no wait, hear me out...the 10 Commandments were given to Moses and within the 10 a command to keep one day holy unto the Lord was commanded. Some good, loving, believing folks say Christians are to keep a day holy based on the principle found in the Decalogue. Now, personally, I do not believe in a Christian sabbath. I do refer to Sunday as the Lord's Day but this is mostly due to tradition.

    Recently a nice, loving, believer mentioned that it was antinomian to reject what he claimed was the Christian sabbath. That keeping the sabbath is moral and if I reject keeping it I'm acting against (anti) the Law (nomian).

    I hope that helps explain why I asked. Most Reformed confessions including the 1689 mention the idea of the Christian sabbath and so I thought I'd ask.

    Yours in the Lord,

    jm
     
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    I'm sure I like nomians-- whatever they are.
     
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    No where in the word is the Sabath day changed to Sunday. Sunday is however referred to the Lord's day because it was on that day He rose.
     
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    No, it makes you an Adventist.
     
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    I was in the Spirit on the Lord`s day... Rev 1:10

    Sunday, or the day of the LORD? I know of preachers who say it's Sunday.
     
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    The Jews claim its Friday sundown to Saturday sundown....call it Shabbot. No work is to be done...not even turning on lights & appliances. They :smilewinkgrin:used to use the goyem for that. It's a living.
     
  10. JamesL

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    Unfortunately, the Sunday Sabbatarians are trying to mix Law and Grace. Romans 14 calls them "weaker brethren" because they do not understand their liberty in Christ. I call them "Fringe Fundamentalists" because they try so hard to observe the Law that they may not believe in Christ at all.

    Only God knows their hearts, but they are teetering, either barely inside or outside of Grace. On the fringes.

    Sunday Sabbatarians almost always refer to a building as "God's House" with a sanctuary, altars, tithing, and a sin sacrifice which merely "covers" sin.

    But Christ came with a better ministry, a better sacrifice, and better blood that REMOVES sin.

    Listen closely to your friend, and you might find that he is totally steeped in Law, and may not believe in Christ at all. You may need to share the gospel with him.

    In case my comments are misunderstood as being flippant, I have been that Law-centered one
     
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    I respectfully disagree. First, not all doctrine is explicitly stated but can be summized by necessary inferences. For example, Jesus did not say the Sabbath was made for "the Jew" but "for [the] man" - Mk. 2:26. No Jews existed when God made the Sabbath, only MANKIND all subsisting in two person - Adam and Even and both are called "Adam".

    Second, Levitical legislative Sabbath keeping came much later under the Law of Moses but the Sabbath had been observed since creation as God reprimands the Isralites for not observing the Sabbath PRIOR to the Mosaic Legislature (Exodus 16).

    Third, The Sabbatical cyles (seventh day, 49th and 50th day Sabbath, Seventh month Sabbath, Seventh Year Sabbath, 49 and 50th year Sabbaths) all anticipate a first day of the week Sabbath that commemorates the greater work of redemption (Deut. 20:7) and greater creation (Ex. 20:5). The Sabbatical cyles are fulfilled in Christs, life, death, resurrection and new creation to come. You will note the whole sabbatical sabbaths place more emphasis on the first day Sabbaths then the Seventh Day Sabbaths in Leviticus 23-25. The prophetic first day Sabbath is observed without legalism but a day of worship with gladness and joy (Psa. 118:24 with Acts 4:10-11).

    The Creation Sabbath is NEVER called the seventh day "OF THE WEEK" anywhere in scripture. Not in Genesis 2. Not in Exodus 20. Not in Deut. 5 - Nowhere! Indeed, God could not place that restriction upon it because if he did he violated His own Sabbath law as applied Sabbath law to the 1st, 8th, 15th and 22nd days in the months. He applied the Sabbath law to the 50th day, 50th year and thus to periods longer than 24 hours in keeping with the use of Hebrew YOM in direct relationship with the Creation Sabbath in Genesis 2:3-4.

    I could go on and on using Mark 16:1-2, 9; Jn. 20:1,8; Acts 2:1; 20:7 and 1 Cor. 16:1-2 and most importantly Heb. 4:1-14 with Rev. 1:10.

    But let me cut to the quick of it. Sunday is the prophetic day predicted in Psalm 118:24 where David uses the very same Hebrew term to describe the Creation Sabbath in Deut. 5 "made" which means "made to be observed" and the kind of observance is spelled out - "we shall be glad and rejoice in it".

    The Sabbath is fulfilled "in Christ" FIRST by redemption as we are brought into REST with God through faith in the gospel (Heb. 4:1-2). However, our salvation "in Christ" has not yet been completely fulfilled. Our souls are brought into rest with God through obedience here and now. Our bodies will be delivered from its bondage of sin at the resurrection when the body is brought into rest with God in a NEW CREATION and a NEW EARTH the eternal EIGHTH day of rest. Hence, right now there remaineth a sabbath day observance for the people of God until all of God's Children are brought into FULL REST "in Christ" spirit, soul and body (Heb. 4:11) because Christ set apart a day to commemorate His work just as His Father did (Heb. 4:9-10).

    In regard to Law versus grace - God is the author of both and he is not the author of confusion. Law was never designed to justify, sanctify or save anyone - it was designed to reveal sin and lead us to faith in Christ alone for ustification just as in the case of Abraham who lived 430 years prior to Moses and the Law.

    In regard to Colossians 2:16, we are no longer under the Law as an ADMINISTRATIVE covenant - it is abolished as an administrative covenant - public administration through a public house of God. Note the plural "sabbaths" and the context of the ceremonial administrative laws.

    In regard to Romans 14 this chapter does not deal with Biblical laws or principles but with CUSTOMARY CULTURAL backgrounds that are neither right or wrong in and of themselves - customary fcultural holidays, foods, drinks, etc.

    The first day of the week is not YOUR day. It is called the "kuriakos" day which is the same Greek term used for the "LORD'S supper" (1 Cor. 11:20) which the Corinthians were treating as THEIR OWN supper. This term was used for Sunday once a month as the day that honored Ceasar as the GOD MAN with a pinch of incense. Both John and Paul took this term away from Ceasar and applied it to the only true GOD MAN - Jesus Christ. It denotes those things that belonged to Ceasar as the GOD MAN but New Testament writers use it to identify those things that belong alone to the real GOD MAN - Jesus Christ.

    If anyone wants a real comprehensive study of the Law and Grace in connection with the Creation Sabbath and the Lord's Day I have an online book dedicated to that subect alone.
     
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    I understand the argumentation so just give me the Cliff Notes: if you reject what is called the Christian Sabbath is that person antinomian?
     
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    IMHO the "Christian Sabbath" is on Saturday - but I worship on Sunday - in honor of the Ressurection of Jesus Christ.

    Jesus repeated the Commandments in the NT - (Mark 10), but why did he not mention the Sabbath?

    I am saved becaue of my faith in Christ - not the day of the week I worship
     
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    Do you have a link?
     
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    My vote in bold.
     
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    noit does not make you antinomian. it is my understanding that an antinomian is one who shuns the law altogether and interprets being under grace as license to licentious living and a law-less worldview (?).
     
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    Is that its true meaning then it would be another name for a carnal Christian...right.
     
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    :laugh:

    I prefer poly "nomials".
     
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    I think inferences can be great in some cases, but I don't believe in building a lot of elaborate doctrines based on inference.

    You'll have to come up with a specific book, chapter and verse that states (in no uncertain terms) that Christians are to observe a specific day of the week.

    Something that important would not be left to inference


    I had a hard time connecting your dots to come to this conclusion. Some of it seemed conflicted



    I'm not a fan of one-liner, hit-and-run theology. When Paul wrote that God is not the author of confusion, it was in a specific context of spiritual gifts being abused.

    Who authored the confusion at the Tower of Babel?


    Yes, the Law came after Abraham - so he was not confronted with the Law in order to be justified by faith.

    Abraham was justified through believing a promise that he would be an heir of the world, through the Seed (Genesis 15:1-6, Romans 4:13, Galatians 3:16-18)



    I've never seen where scripture makes Law distinctions between Moral, Ceremonial, Dietary. When God said Law, He meant the entire Law.

    James said if you keep the whole Law, yet stumble in one point, you have broken the whole Law. He didn't say if we break a ceremonial law, we've broken only the Ceremonial aspect of the Law. Or if we break a moral law, we've broken only the Moral aspect of the Law.

    The Law is the whole Law, not pieces. We are either under Law, or under grace (Galatians 3:1-3, 12-13)


    That doesn't fit at all with what Paul wrote:

    One man believes he can eat vegetables only, while someone else believes he can eat all things.
    One person regards a day above another, while someone else treats all days alike.
    Both are doing so for the Lord.

    If this were simply a cultural issue, why would Paul feel the need to add his own two cents with "For I know that nothing is unclean" (Rom 14:14). Unclean had to do with Jews who were observing the Law of Moses, which the Jerusalem council said is not binding on Gentiles (Acts 15, particularly verse 21)


    Got a link?
     
  20. JamesL

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    I agree with PinoyBaptist - Antinomian believes that Grace approves of licentiousness. I think that would go further than being carnal.

    In my estimation, a carnal Christian is one who ignores God's will, ignores the Spirit of God, and is led by the flesh, caring nothing for holiness.

    Whereas an Antinomian is determinatively set against holiness.

    I think it would be like the difference between apathy and hate
     

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