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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by bb_baptist, Aug 15, 2003.
It is signed and forwarded webmaster. Thanks for the link!
Signed and forwarded here too!
Thanks so much, Webmaster!
Defining marriage as what it is, always has been, and only can be is not depriving anyone's rights any more than defining murder deprives a hit man of his.
Pettion signed and sent.
I signed and forwared too webmaster.
Signed and forwarded.
Signed and sent, too.
I still remain skeptical of the FMA because I don't think it will be a complete protection against homosexual marriage as state legislatures will still be able to approve them in individual states. Even the leading proponents of it admit this, the principal object of FMA being to prevent judicial creation of it as a "right". However, I'm resigned to accept it as being the most that is Constitutionally possible in a society whose moral standards have so eroded.
By the way, a couple of good articles from a recent edition of The Weekly Standard:
The intention is good, but getting the Federal Government involved with an Amendment could open a can of worms. The Federal Government has already eroded state rights and individual rights. The state is a buffer zone between you and the Federal Government. Though you may be for the action of the Federal Government here what about areas where the Federal Government has stepped in, that Believers in Christ don't like. Areas like legalizing the murder of unborn babies. Infringing on the right to bear arms.
Jamesleaf bring up a good point. Many states, like mine (California) have a state law that defines legal marriage as being between a man and a woman.
I wouldn't oppose similar federal legislation, but we must keep in mind that endorsing such a law would put the matter in Federal hands.
Isn't it already?
I personally don't think people should have to get ssn's, marriage licenses, divorce licenses, have the court demand child support be granted even if I say no, none of this stuff should be their business. But...it is, and as long as it is all we can do is try to make it work for the best.
I signed it a few days ago. Is this petition somehow related to Falwell ministries? I didn't see anything that said where it was from and was hestitant on filling out the info, but looked up info on the site and if I remember right that's who it was.
In response to the last Post in regard to the Social Security Number, there is no law that requires an American Citizen to have a Social Security Number. There is no law that requires an American Citizen to have a Social Security Number to get a Job. There is no law that requires an American Citizen to fill out a W-4 Form. When an American Citizen fills out a W-4 Form it is done so voluntarily.
Jameslef, could you substantiate that statement... like, giving us a link to a US governement site?
To Barnabas and your question in regard to Social Security. Call the Social Security Administration.
Probably true. However, if one wants paid for the job, it is a Federal Law that the employer report the SS# of the employee. Employers are also required to have an EIN.
That is supposed to be how it works, but it's not true any longer. Texas sodomy laws were recently overturned by the Feds (US Supremes), infringing on States Rights.
James, I called the social security administration and here is how it went.
Question: Is it mandatory for all U.S. citizens to have a social security number?
Question: What are the consequences of not having one? What if my parents never applied for one for me, and later in life I decided I didn't get one? Would that be jail time or what?
Answer: I'll have to look that up. (put me on hold)
Ok ma'am, it is entirely up to you whether you want to get one or not. However, you'd have to be a bum and live on the street. There is not much you can legally do without a social security number! You wouldn't even be able to have a job.
Question: Is it illegal for an employer to hire a person who does not have a social security number?
Answer: Yes. The employer would be given a penalty if they hire someone who didn't have one.
Question: What if the person was self-employed?
Answer: If he has any income he has to pay taxes, and you have to have a social security number for that, it's required. So technically, anyone with an income would have legal repercussions if they did not have a social security number, although not having one IF you don't work in and of itself isn't against the law.
Conversation part two! I gave the following scenario.
Question: I have a question about my social security number. I have an ex-husband who is trying to get life insurance on me. He's using my social security number to do this. He has threatened before to do this, kill me, and collect on the insurance. Also, I have family members I do not wish to see who have found me by paying agencies that use social security numbers to find people. I'm scared about this, is there any way to get my social security number changed?
Answer: We don't just change social security numbers for any little thing like that. Someone would have to be using your number and identifying themselves as you, doing things like ruining your credit.
Question: I'm not as worried about my credit as my life. What if I'm dead and they find out he got the insurance using my social security number? Would he get in trouble for that?
Answer: Obviously he'd get in trouble for killing you, but he is allowed to use your social security number to buy you insurance. Obviously if you're dead we wouldn't have to really do anything about the social security number after anyway.
Question: So you won't even CONSIDER changing my social security number?
Answer: No, not unless there's some kind of fraud happening.
So ya see, it pretty much is illegal not to have one. The only situation where it wouldn't be illegal is if you never made any income, and the IRS (yeah I called them to) said that even if you make a penny it should be reported.
Not only that, but even in a matter of life and death they won't so much as change it for you. LOL That to me was just unbelievable! BTW I presented all questions to her as hypothetical, but she took them as real despite, it was kinda funny. She kept asking questions about this "person" who didn't have a social security number! For some reason she was more concerned with that than the person who felt their life was endangered. I'm laughing because it's funny, but in a very sick way that also makes me mad!
Just to be funny, I was going to ask if we could all have your SSN to get insurance on you, in case your ex does off you, but if this is for real, it is no joking matter. I hope you are OK Gina.
You're required to have a social security number if you are an employee. BTW citizenship has nothing to do with it. Permanent and temporary residents who are employees fall under the same category.
You must fill out a W-4 if you're an employee, but not if you're an independent contractor. I believe the form for that is an I-9. Also, as in the previous case, citicenship status has nothing to do with it.
Privacy rights are constitutionally protected, and states, counties, and cities may not pass laws that violate the US Constitution.