Teen Beaten, Pepper Sprayed, Tasered, Arrested because Cops Said he Had “No Legitimate Purpose”

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    Manchester, NH — Connor DeLeire, 18, was not breaking any laws, not causing anyone harm, and was on public property when he was approached by police, beaten, tasered, pepper sprayed and arrested.

    The reason police gave to the press for approaching DeLeire was that he was parked in a “predictive hot spot.”

    As officer Derek Cataldo drove by the teen who was doing absolutely nothing wrong at 5:35 pm, he decided to violate the rights of DeLeire to determine if he was there for “legitimate purposes.”

    DeLeire was sitting in the driver’s seat. Cataldo drove by the car and then circled the block to get a better look and determine if Deleire was there for legitimate purposes, according to a news release sent out by Lt. Brian O’Keefe.

    Cataldo then approached DeLeire and attempted to “determine if he was there for legitimate purposes.” Like most people who are approached by armed agents of the state who can legally kill you, DeLeire was nervous.

    According to the Union Leader:


    Continue . . . http://thefreethoughtproject.com/teen-beaten-pepper-sprayed-tasered-arrested-cops-idea-probable/
     
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    Poncho - do you believe this is occurring more often? Or reported more often?
     
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    There's no doubt that it's being reported more often. Everyone has a video camera in their pocket these days. It's hard to say if it's occurring more often because we don't know for sure how often it occurred in the past.

    Why does it even matter whether I believe this is occurring more often or reported more often Don?

    I'm not so much concerned with what happened in the past. I'm concerned with what's happening today, why it's happening today and what we're going to do about it today so it doesn't continue in the future. I'm concerned that people are making excuses and looking the other way when a fellow citizen's rights are violated because of some notion that we're obligated to side with "authority figures" and demonize anyone that questions them.

    I'm concerned about the militarization of the police. I'm concerned with police powers being consolidated by an authoritarian federal government. I'm concerned that the federal government is aligning itself with unaccountable global "authorities".

    Take the so called "Strong Cities Network" for example.

    Shouldn't we Americans be concerned that our local police departments are being militarized and co opted by an unaccountable global elite?

    Where does it go from here?
     
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    In, the photos, I see no signs of a "beating". The writer is obviously enhancing his title to make it a little more sensational.

    The story doesn't say whether he had a license to carry a pistol or not.
     
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    John DeLeire said his son grew up with guns, has taken gun safety courses and has a license to conceal the weapon. Connor DeLeire told the officer he had a handgun and put it in the backseat to put him at ease, John DeLeire said.

    http://www.unionleader.com/Manchester-chief-defends-hot-spot-arrest
     
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    Thanks. I missed that.
     
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    No worries. It wasn't in the link Poncho provided but it was linked to in the Manchester Union Leader news site.
     
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    I think it is happening more often and that's due to many reasons - breakdown of society, devolution into a police state, drugs, police unions, blah blah blah are all to blame. But then I've never even heard of a "predictive hot spot" before today - where are those? I want to avoid them.

    The system IS rigged in favor of the cops, look at this one case. The "teen" is the one facing charges, There is a blue wall but there was another thread here talking about the over-medication of Americans - well, any anti-depressant will flatten emotion and make you fearless or just zombie you out to the point you act without thinking. They work no differently in cops.
     
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    That's a fancy name for cops being proactive in preventing crime instead of just responding to it. Been going on for at least 50 years to my knowledge, just without the fancy name.
     
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    Poncho, it matters because it's been happening throughout history. It matters because, are we talking about an actual increase in incidents, or is it actually proportional to population?

    With the rise of easily accessible and transmittable infirmation, are we simply seeing it be reported more often?

    Are we really seeing an expansion of militarized police? Or are we seeing what happens after each new conflict that introduces new weapons and tactics, with those returning military members joining police forces and bringing that training with them?

    I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone; just simply asking: are we exposing something new, or just an evolutionary pattern?
     
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    Thanks for the vote of confidence ITL.

    Have to get back to ya Don. Need some R&R.

    I'll leave you with this . . .

     
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    Google "predictive policing", "total information awareness" , "full spectrum dominance" and "mastering the human domian".

    Or just read George Orwell's 1984 and Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.
     
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    This isn't anything new Don. This is what happens in a police state.
     
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    Here, watch this 7 hour video...

    Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo using Tapatalk.
     
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    Poncho -- as a reminder, I can't watch the videos. Not enough data on my satellite internet. Don't do YouTube, don't do Netflix. Can't get cable at my location. Happy I'm getting almost 10mbps speeds, although the FCC mandated that 25 was the required minimum for ISPs....

    Anyway, exactly right. It's not that we have more of it; it's that we have larger populations, and therefore larger numbers of policemen; coupled with more and more ways for these incidents to be made public.

    50 years ago, some segments of our society turned a blind eye to police brutality. 100 years ago, it was expected that if you were detained by the police, you deserved anything you got.

    People like to use the fact that police in Great Britain don't carry weapons. Allow me to let you in on a secret that those people turn a blind eye to: when I lived in England between 1990-1993, we would get British protestors illegally gaining access to our base. We Americans weren't allowed to actually deal with them; we weren't even allowed to show them our weapons. We just made sure we stayed between them and our American assets. Our security controllers would notify the British constabulary assigned to our base, and he would roll out there in a van. He'd tell the bloke protestors to get in the van; typically, they respected their police authorities and they'd get in the van. But sometimes one would get cheeky, and he'd tell the constabulary to go do sexual things to himself. The unarmed constabulary would then pull out his baton, beat the living daylights out of the cheeky bloke, pick up the bloody mess, and toss it in the van.

    It's probably considered police brutality now, 15 years later; but it was known by the British civilians that this was an "accepted" practice at that time.

    Not saying it's morally right or acceptable. Just saying that the uptick we're seeing us not new, nor limited to the US. Consider 3rd world countries; consider the movie Slum Dog Millionaire. As one who has spent time in that area of the wirld, the practices of the police in that movie are not actually exaggerated.

    SO--my apologies for the length of this. In many ways, I understand what Poncho is trying to do, and I agree with him--even though it sounds and reads like he's being derogatory towards police and advocating anarchy.

    Now Zaac, on the other hand.... :)
     
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    More like here watch these three 2 hour + videos.

    Sorry Don I thought you were genuinely interested in learning something. My mistake.
     
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    Please explain. Which part(s) of my response cause you to come to this conclusion?
     
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    Sorry Don. I attributed ITL's remark to you. Evidently he feels it's more productive to keep wondering about the current state of affairs instead of doing the work to learn about it.
     
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    This is a discussion forum. People are supposed to discuss things. I've no interest in watching 6 hours and 53 minutes of badly produced video. Why don't you articulate your positions yourself?
     
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    For the same reason he has threads running 3-5 pages where he is the only poster. I'll let you decide why that is.
     

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