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Discussion in 'Forum for Polls' started by Bro. James Reed, Mar 23, 2005.
I am curious as to where the brethren on this board stand with regards to the life of Mrs. Schiavo.
This is happening everywhere. One of my nursing home patients after a stroke was put down this way.
What is interesting is that there are not going to be enough young people to see the baby boomers through end of life quality health care. We simply didn't have large families. Euthanasia is happening in other countries and will be here in a matter of a few years. It has been heading that way for some time. We already comfort our elderly to death with pain medication and as with Terri, we pull feeding tubes on our terminally ill.
It is understood that these people cost alot of money but it is not for man to decide that a persons quality of life is not worth living. We are not God yet we kill the very weakest in society. Babies, infirm and elderly.
Is it time for Christians to take part in Civil Disobediance and do something about it?
Was that nursing home patient already dying, and on life support? Terri was NOT dying before they started starving her to death, and she has NEVER been on life support. The liberal media, and her adulterous husbands activist lawyer would have everyone believe the lie that she was on life support, that is just not true!
" put down "
is something you do to animals, like getting rid of an unwanted dog, you take it to the pound and have it " put down". Now a days they won't do it unless there is a good reason other then " I don't want this dog anymore".
When a farmer has a cow sick, or it is broken down in the legs(refuses to stnd again, or can't stand again), they call a vet and have it " put down".
But none the less, "put down" is a term for animals.
For humans it's called murder.
I see nothing in scripture that allows it, nor the lowering of human life to that on the level of animals.
Was that nursing home patient already dying, and on life support? Terri was NOT dying before they started starving her to death, and she has NEVER been on life support. The liberal media, and her adulterous husbands activist lawyer would have everyone believe the lie that she was on life support, that is just not true! </font>[/QUOTE]Of course, I can only guess, but the difference is probably that the person in the nursing home either had an advanced directive or the family agreed on what this person's wishes would be.
The Schindlers and Michael can not agree on what Terri would want. However, the courts have decided that Terri would not want to live in this condition.
It is a very sad occasion when anyone has to make this type of decision. My sympathy and prayers go out to all.
Further I do not believe that name calling is going to accomplish anything.
There is a BIG difference in one on life support who is dying, and one who is not dying, but needs to be fed three times a day!
I wasn't name calling, just using the proper adjectives for the two men who are wishing to kill Terri.
we all need to be fed daily, so whose next on the list for starvation. Simply by being judged by others not to have what they deem 'quality' of life you can get put on the list of those who are inconvient to society. The elderly, the ill, children(abortion), have all been deemed inconvient, so which of us is next? Prehaps those who do not work for whatever reason(stay at home moms, disabled, but their already on the list), how about that nosey neighbor, the guy who cut you off on the way home from work.
Whenever life is so devalued (is that a word?) to think we can judge anothers quality of life and whether or not they deserve life we have fallen to a sorry state.
Poll Results: Terri Schiavo (26 votes.)
Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to starve to death?
Yes, and I am Baptist. 23% (6)
I guess I should be shocked but I'm not. These same Baptists are probably pro aborts.
This is the only question I had to really think about. I voted "YES" only because the judicial system has, IMNSHO, already put the government in a position of interferring in what should be a "family only affair"!
Diane, if it's any comfort at least youcan change the "6" to "5". When I voted i mistakenly checked the "Yes" box, and there is no way to go back and fix it once you submit your votes. Still rather sad.
I wonder if that is permission then(as if we need it, after all they don't need Terri's) to starve them to death if we disagree with their quality of life?
Do these 5 believe murdering someone ill is ok?
How can it be leagl in our suposed civilized society(as if christianity has made a difference in this country) to condem someone to death who is innocent(innocent until proven guilty, isn't that some law in our country), who has not even been accused of any crime, the death penalty??
And we call other countries barbaric, and inhumane.
We describe ourselves.
Exodus 20: 13 "You shall not murder."
I wonder if Jesus believed this?
edited to change my 6 to a 5, see Jim's post above.
I answered "I don't know" as to governmental intervention because the question doesn't specify whether state or federal level. I agree absolutely that the state should, as allowed under Florida law, but that the central government has no Consitutional business interfering in a state issue.
The Schindlers also do not want Terri to live in this condition. They want her to get the rehabilitation that her husband has denied to her for the past 13 years.
I sure hope the courts never have to decide what I would want. They screw up everything, so I know they would get my wishes wrong as well.
I also voted I don't know on the last, because I just haven't given it enough thought, and it's conclusions (not just for Terri) if they do.
I don't think the federal government sould interfere with state issues. I do think the federal government has a responsiblitily to protect it's citizens. I am a citizen of the United States and as such I expect the federal government to protect me from state governments that have proven to be incapable of protecting my life or my children's lives. I guess we shouldn't travel to states that might decide we do not meet their standards of what a productive life is.
Boy, that was close. I almost checked Yes, I am Baptist for the first question. Changed it to No when I realized what was being asked. For the last question, I believe that all they need to do is enforce laws that we already have on the books. They have prosecuted attempted murder cases on less circumstantial evidence than what has already been brought out in this situation.
Posted by JGRUBBS: Was that nursing home patient already dying, and on life support?
Wasn't on life support. We seem to think that it os ok for an advanced directive or patient's wishes to be taken into consideration when pulling tubes. Last I heard murder and suicide were still illegal in this country. I am in the medical profession and I agree that we have a right to stop living by artificial measures. Whether a person is terminal and or unconcious food and water should NEVER be witheld. That is inhumane.
Donna, When I used the term "put down" I was likening it to animals for a reason. There will come a day not too far in the future when it will be as easy for a family to murder their unwanted loved ones as it is to put down your unwanted cat.