Terri's parents not allowed to say goodbye

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  1. Gina B

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    October 15, 2003 is the day the courts have ordered the withholding of nutrition and hydration from Terri Schiavo. It is also the Feast of St. Teresa - Terri's name-sake.
    In a desperate effort to get the attention of someone who could stop this court-sanctioned death, the Schindler family has released a video of Terri that they took some 24 months ago, showing Terri laughing with her mother.

    Because of this, Mr. Schiavo's attorneys have ordered that Terri may no longer have visitors. Not even her mother and father are allowed to see her or to even say goodbye to her.

    Please visit http://www.terrisfight.org
     
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    How awful and heartless. I'd have to say I'd be with my child anyway, even if they arrested me. That isn't eagal if a judge hasn't ordered it is it? I wouldn't care.
     
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    Terri may have visitors if Terri's husband or a representative is present. Probably so they won't try to feed her. This make me realize that it would be a good idea even for young people to have a will stating their wishes in the event something like this happens. [​IMG]
     
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    This is beyond cruel. [​IMG]
     
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    Unbelievable! I still cannot believe that the courts have not intervened on Terri's behalf. I hope she is not aware of the callousness of her husband. May God repay him for this inhuman decision.

    In 1994 my mother suffered a stroke. She survived surgery and was put on a ventilator. One of the doctors told me that she would be better off if we took her off the machine. Previous to this incident I had always thought I would have agreed to what the doctor said. However, when it was my mother lying in the hospital bed, I just could not do it. I wanted to give her every chance to recover. She eventually was removed from the ventilator, and she lived ten months in a coma before she died. Looking back, I would have made the same decision I made. I will always give life a chance.
     
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    The courts DID intervene: they heard the arguements and made a decision. Folks, the decision has been made. The courts have heard both sides, and have sided with the Husband as far as Terri's wishes. Let's stop thiking we know better, when all we hear is news propaganda based on emotion and sensationalism, rather than the facts of the case. We're certainly not solving anything here, other than trying to yell louder than the next person.

    Now as far as Terri's parents not being allowed to say goodbye, I agree that it's unduely cruel, and perhaps they should seek an order from a judge allowing them to visit with her.

    On a sidenote, when the Bible says that a the hudband and wife shall leave their homes and cleave to one another, does that not mean that the next of kin to each person is no longer the parents, but the spouse until death? Or does that only apply when a divorced man wants to be a pastor?
     
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    Helen posted that it could take 10-14 days for her to die from dehydration and that it's a very painful death.

    Can you imagine, being her parents, going into her room and having her moan or cry out in hunger... and not be able to feed your own child because some guy (I'd love to say money hungry murderer here) just wants you out of the picture?

    How very, very awful this is.

    And yet... the guy who touched the baseball in last night's Cubs game is being given more trouble over his action that this 'husband' is being given........

    Diane
     
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    Amen, Brother Johnv -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
  9. dianetavegia

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    Well I'm so glad my husband doesn't feel that way. Maybe it's because his father was the first polio victim after the war and lived in an iron lung for over 4 years before being sent home on a 'rocking bed' and allowed to live his last days with his wife and children. Jim was 7 when his father died from polio.

    Diane
     
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    John: The courts DID intervene: they heard the arguements and made a decision. Folks, the decision has been made.

    Gina: It was the wrong decision.

    John: The courts have heard both sides, and have sided with the Husband as far as Terri's wishes. Let's stop thiking we know better, when all we hear is news propaganda based on emotion and sensationalism, rather than the facts of the case. We're certainly not solving anything here, other than trying to yell louder than the next person.

    Gina: Stop thinking we know better than WHO? Than Judge Greer? What makes him more capable of making good moral decisions than you or I?
    I'm not just hearing news propaganda. I am speaking with her family. Her "husband" refuses to speak with anyone, perhaps he's too busy with his girlfriend and their child to talk about his wife.
    So far everyone's yelling has gotten the attention of quite a few people and aided in keeping her alive so far. As long as Terri still has breath we'll still do her talking for her.

    John: Now as far as Terri's parents not being allowed to say goodbye, I agree that it's unduely cruel, and perhaps they should seek an order from a judge allowing them to visit with her.

    Gina: Yeah, hopefully it'll be within, say, ten days. And we know how fast the court system works, especially when the judge has ordered that no more motions may be filed.

    John: On a sidenote, when the Bible says that a the hudband and wife shall leave their homes and cleave to one another, does that not mean that the next of kin to each person is no longer the parents, but the spouse until death? Or does that only apply when a divorced man wants to be a pastor?

    Gina: YES! Yes it does! Which explains why she can and should be able to be back under her parents care, as her spouse has left her for another women and physically and mentally abused her on top of it by refusing to provide the medical care for her that he sued to get.
     
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    It's not a right vs wrong issue. It's an issue over what is Terri's interest, whether or not we agree with it.

    Because he's the judge and we're not.

    Then you're hearing only one side. The judge has heard both sides, and the persons you're talking to disagree with it. That doesn't make them right, just in disagreement. As for her husband, it's unfortunate that you're spreading heresay, aka gossip, because you by admission haven't spoken to him, only those that have a major grievance with him. I don't mean to defend him, but I do mean to chide gossip. Notice how no one has said things like "the parents are just after her money", which people here could easily do. As far as the laws, both of God and man, the responsibility for making decisions for his wife's health and life fall with him, not her parents.

    This supports the fact that this is an emotional issue, not a factual one.

    An emergecy motion could be filed and heard promptly. Such a motion would have nothing to do with this case, but would be a separate matter entirely.

    So say the parents, but the judge disagrees with that. Hence, this has boiled down to an emotional screaming match, even here on the board, and the discussion of the topic is no longer producing fruit. I stand by my earlier statement: Everyone needs to let it go, accept the situation, and give it to God.
     
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    It's not a right vs wrong issue. It's an issue over what is Terri's interest, whether or not we agree with it.

    Because he's the judge and we're not.

    Then you're hearing only one side. The judge has heard both sides, and the persons you're talking to disagree with it. That doesn't make them right, just in disagreement. As for her husband, it's unfortunate that you're spreading heresay, aka gossip, because you by admission haven't spoken to him, only those that have a major grievance with him. I don't mean to defend him, but I do mean to chide gossip. Notice how no one has said things like "the parents are just after her money", which people here could easily do. As far as the laws, both of God and man, the responsibility for making decisions for his wife's health and life fall with him, not her parents.

    This supports the fact that this is an emotional issue, not a factual one.

    An emergecy motion could be filed and heard promptly. Such a motion would have nothing to do with this case, but would be a separate matter entirely.

    So say the parents, but the judge disagrees with that. Hence, this has boiled down to an emotional screaming match, even here on the board, and the discussion of the topic is no longer producing fruit. I stand by my earlier statement: Everyone needs to let it go, accept the situation, and give it to God.
    </font>[/QUOTE]It IS an issue of right and wrong. Taking the life of another person always is. Why don't people get that? Is it in the best interest to kill everyone who is a burden on society or doesn't enjoy the same quality of life as you? Who are you to determine when someone's life isn't worth living anymore and we should take that life?
    He's a judge. Whoopty doo. He's not infallible, and more than that he's incapable of fulfilling his position from his behavior thus far.
    He has said in court and it's on paper that he has a girlfriend and child. It is not heresay. It is his own words.
    This case is an emotional one. It's dealing with life and death. It's also factual. The facts have been repeated to you, and if you spent a bit of time on some research you could see what the facts are. From your ignorance on the subject evidenced in your posts I can tell you haven't done this. What are you basing YOUR posts on, fact or the emotions you feel based on the "heresay" you see posted here John?
    Such a motion obviously has something to do with the case, and also has been disallowed by...well, you know, right?
    Gina
     
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    This is not the taking of a life. It's allowing a person to die in accordance with what they would have wanted. I wish people would get THAT.

    No, it's in the best interest to allow a person do die naturally, rather than be kept alive with assistance. If I were in her situation, I would want to be allowed to die, which is my right. It is also her right.

    Who are you to determine that she should be denied the right to die with dignity?

    Fifty percent of everyone in court feels that way about the judge. That's why we have judges.

    Then he committed adultery. My wife committed adultery as well, and I STILL get emails from people on this board telling me that I'm committed to her for life. I guess that's one of those things that people get to change their minds on when it involves someone else.

    The FACTS, all of them, have been introduced in court. A decision has been made. This is not about her dying, this is about the parents not wanting her to.

    If I based my opinions on emotion, I'd be on your side and the side of the parents. I've researched this and come to my conclusions, but it's your determination that, if my conclusions differ from yours, then I haven't researched it.

    And people wonder I've been politely asking that we simply let this go and give it to God.
     
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    It's amazing how much trust a person will put into our practically godless government system, and how little trust they give to the sanctity of life promoted in the bible.
    You have a brain, use it to think. You're letting the government think for you. That's a dangerous thing.
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    What does it say when this same judge has also denied the right for her to even have rehabilitation to see if she can eat on her own? And why doesn't he (the husband) just hand her over to her parents? He obviously has gone on with his own life since there is another woman involved and a child and another one on the way.

    I also would like to know, have you compared or payed any attention to how the bias news media has tried to down play this as much as they have. They try to make her out to be in a total vegetated state, or even in a full coma. SHE IS NOT!!! She smiles, laughs, watches people move across the room, etc....

    What really scares me about this whole situation is if this goes through will more people have this done with their "loved" ones? Will that include the mentally retarded people too? Use your heads people, it's just like abortion and Satan's tactics when he puts the thought in peoples minds that it really isn't a baby until it breaths air! Come on! Oh please, this just really grieves my heart! And don't even try to tell me that my views are all based on emotionalism. God has placed the Holy Spirit in me and HE does convict me to what is right and what is wrong......and this is WRONG !
     
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    You know there are people who have to make this very difficult decision every day, to take life support away from a loved one. It is a shame that this case has taken on such a media frenzy.
     
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    My home newspaper that printed an article by Mitch Stacy of the Associated Press stated that

    "Bob Schindler said he and his wife, Mary, went in to see their daughter shortly after the tube was removed and gave her a kiss and hugged her."

    No one wants to let or see their child die. Perhaps she will be able to eat on her own.

    We can pray that Terri will not suffer any longer.
     
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    Most importantly, is this lady saved? If not, we should not be worried about her physical life, but her spiritual life.
     
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    Johnv, I think the mistake you're making here is assuming that Terri wants to die of dehydration and starvation. Who on earth would want that? Her death will not be dignified. It will a death forced upon her by her husband and a judge.(BTW, you give so much credit to judges when you see first hand the way the 9th Circuit Court judges constantly misuse their authority.)

    I would have different feelings on the matter if she was in a real coma. Unfortunately, she is not. So, she is starving to death, she will feel every pain from that starvation. She will feel all of the pains from dehydration. She will be in agony. Why? Because someone thinks she is a liability.

    To say you believe we should let it go is one thing, but to justify that by saying it's what she wants and it will be dignified is completely untrue. If she's forced to die in this manner, it will be the worst suffering she has ever been through in her life. Of course, I'd better shut up now because I'm not allowed to voice my opinion and opposition against it, am I?

    For the record, I'm also against abortion, but it's still legal by order of some "great" judges. Perhaps I should not protest against that too. Same with slavery and any other crime that we believe is being committed. There is a legal crime being committed here and I'll be ****** if I'm going to shut up about it while there's still time.

    (To all my brothers and sisters here, I'm sorry for my anger, but it tears me up inside to hear Christians who give so little value to a fellow human being's life. She is a living, breathing person, and she will feel the pain of death no matter what anyone else says.) [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    AMEN BROTHER, PREACH IT!
     

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