Terror Spectacular

Amen! :thumbs:

 

You know, the thought occurs to me that the ONLY reason God has not done to the United States what He did to some other nations who have done a lot less than us is becuase He is using America to protect Israel.

I would strongly suggest those who think otherwise think about how self centered and pampered Americans are, how sinful our nation has been (abortion for example), the how unGodly our government is and compare that with some of the nations in the OT, and see we are way overdue. Why is that?

 

See, that is exactly the argument I made in a thread in the General Baptist Discussions Section. Those of us who don't buy the ideas of premillennialism(especially the dispensationalist brand) have our trust in God and our belief in His Word questioned and we are called liberals, etc.

I have no idea why premillennialists think they have the right to be so uppity in the world of Christendom, but they need a real attitude change toward those whom they will be spending eternity with.

 

Because God no longer deals with nation-states. The last time He punished a nation as a whole was in 70 A.D. and that nation was Israel.

 

How do you know that all the nations that have risen and fallen since 70AD did not have God's hand in it? Even if they dont, why does 70 AD mean He cannot do it again?

Are you telling me that Israel forming in 1948, the six day war of 1967, and the Yom Kipar war of 1973 had nothing to do with God's plan?

 

Perhaps it is the other way around. Some of us support Israel because we still believe what the Bible says, like Israel being the Apple of God's eye.

The Roman Empire doesn't count, eh? :laugh:

 

Everything that has happened and will ever happen has to do with God's plan. God is sovereign - even using the bad actions of people to carry out his purposes.

Now, no, the creation so Israel in 1948, the Six Day War, and the Yom Kippur War had nothing to do with a specific Bible prophecy, nor does the modern political state of Israel.

 

So since I don't buy into your eschatology I don't believe the Bible? Thanks for proving my point.

The Roman Empire's collapse(unlike the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.) was so gradual that I don't think so.

As I said above, everything that happens ultimately fulfills God's purposes. What is at issue here is the idea that the modern political state of Israel(most of whose citizens reject Christ Jesus as the Son of God) is the fulfillment of a specific prophecy. I reject the idea that such a Christ rejecting nation is such a fulfillment.

 

I don't think you spend much time with it.

The nation will continue to reject Christ, until forced into repentance. Israel will turn to Christ. That's what scripture says.

 

Thank you for proving my point about premillennialists once again.

To be accurate that's what your interpretation of Scripture says.

 

Now that this thread has gone way, way off of the topic of terrorism, I have a question. Is it possible on this board to discuss subjects about the Middle East, terrorism, etc. without someone inserting their personal eschatological beliefs into the fray?

 

These discussions make me very, very glad that we have separation of church and state in this country(I know that those words aren't in the U.S. constitution but it is a de facto principle that we have operated under since 1776).

 

You're welcome.

When bible prophecy talks of Israel, I believe it is addressing Israel. You, apparently, think the bible is talking about something else that isn't Israel. Seems like the problem isn't interpretation, but denial.

 

Believe what you want about me. Whatever floats your boat, Bro. Curtis, whatever floats your boat.

 

Amen, preach it, Brother Curtis! :thumbs:

 

Believe what you want about me. Whatever floats your boat, LE, whatever floats your boat.

 

Me, post #20

Much of the preceding is precisely the reason for this statement.

I accept that they don't believe that Israel is still "the apple of God's eye" and leave them to such belief. But some of them refuse to just let it go and accept that others believe differently!

Oh well, I do remember in college it was always the guys who wanted get high that constantly made fun of and ridiculed those who opted to remain "dry".

Same insecurity, I guess, that drives those who can't let a "challenge" go by without a counter-attack!

 

So your side never counter-attacks? Or if you side attacks no one with a different viewpoint should counter-attack?

And now you are comparing those who disagree with you on this board to drunks and people who use drugs?