Texas student punished for refusing to recite Mexican pledge

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  1. Jedi Knight

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    As I searched around about this, I found that this story first appeared back in 2011; wonder why Fox and WND are reporting on it now?
     
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    Don't need to do "a better search"; a better search pointed out that this story was originally reported in October 2011. My question was, why is it being reported on again?

    The answer appears to be that the student and her family didn't file a lawsuit on the subject until just recently. If so, your question is extremely valid: why does a school district that states saying the American pledge of allegiance is optional, *require* their spanish students to recite the Mexican pledge? Why does no one in McAllen see this as hypocritical?

    The next question is: in the time between when this was first reported and now, has the McAllen school district continued to require students to recite the Mexican pledge of allegiance?
     
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    Post your 2011 post. It's obviously resent article supported by several news sources. That said isn't this from a slow leak of disrespect to America? The other day I saw a used car dealer with Mexico's "many" flags hanging next to Texas and the US flag. Slow conquer by public disloyalty? Me thinks so.
     
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    It was a class assignment. The school didn't enact a policy about now saluting the Mexican flag.
     
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    A class assignment that had no value and could only have an agenda. Good for this student.
     
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    So - as long as it's a class assignment, we can also require them to recite the American pledge of allegiance? Give them a grade for it?

    Forget the school policies, ladies and gentlemen; we just found the loophole we've all been looking for.
     
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    What if she had for religious reasons refused to recite the US pledge would the Moore legal team be jumping in on this?

    Is it right for Christian to recite any pledge to a country?
     
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    Does the pledge violate ANY scripture?
     
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    That is ridiculous. It was a Spanish class. When you take a foreign language class, you are expected to allow yourself to be taught the language AND culture AND geography and such for the areas that speak the language being studied. This is common. This is why students have days when they bring in food from whatever area it is they're studying where the language is spoken, or activities centered around a holiday or religious observation from that country or culture.

    And it's done in that language.

    Stirring up a fuss over a non-issue is such a waste. If they were doing this along with the pledge at the beginning of the day, that would be another story. They weren't. It was a normal assignment for a Spanish language class. The student wouldn't do it. End of story. Too bad. In life, there's lots of stuff we do that we don't "like." I had to participate in "Day of the Dead" in Spanish class. Yuck! I had to read and report on stories filled with cursing, explicit homos**** scenes in college that made me blush when I was ALONE reading them, had to listen to lectures on history by an atheist who mocked Christianity nearly daily, and that's just life.

    If she feels this way now, she better be ready to sue the entire world once she's released from the bubble world of high school.
     
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    I think that the Jehovah's Witnesses were exempted from saying the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1940s by the Supreme Court. I think it is okay to sing the national anthem of another country but I think that it is illegal to pledge allegiance to another country. That teacher showed little energy to find creative assignments for students to practice the language and little tact. Some immigrants are just here for the money. I lived in El Paso for 7 years and I like Mexico but nowadays it is a violent place because the drug wars have shifted from Colombia to Mexico. I would never pledge allegiance to Mexico and I don't recall hearing their national anthem.
     
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    I disagree, Gina. What was the purpose of making them recite the pledge? Why did it have to be the pledge? Moreover, she accepted another assignment; but this young lady who allegedly made good grades in every other aspect of this class and in her other classes, suddenly fails that alternative assignment.

    I had a college course that marked me down a grade because I refused to compromise on a personal belief. Should I have capitulated in order to make a good grade? Is that really the lesson we want to teach our children?
     
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    Gina, times surely have changed. And not for the better.

    I had to take French in high school back in the mid 60's. Studying the French language didn't entail any of that list of things you mentioned. Nor did the experimental (at the time) use of a TV broadcast to teach French when I was in the 8th grade. In both cases, the focus was on the LANGUAGE. Just as the English classes that I had to take, from grade school through college.

    Grade school geography classes covered cultural aspects and such. Without the antics of today's total immersion into diversity. No we didn't have food and dress to "celebrate" another country being studied. There wasn't enough time in a school day to do all of that and still learn CIVICS, for example. Or, math, or American history, or how to read, for that matter.

    Next, when I make a pledge -- take an oath -- it is a very serious matter. In this case, when I say the words to a pledge, the pledge means nothing if I also say the words to another pledge, which negates the first one. IMO, that's what's being taught in our schools today. The Pledge of Allegiance to the United States means nothing when I'm also pledging the same thing to Mexico and/or France and/or and other country that I happen to be studying.

    And, again IMO, what's being taught goes beyond just mouthing pledges. It negates the very concept that a man's word is his bond. That promises no longer need to be kept. Whether paying off loans or telling the truth in a court of law the principle is the same. That is say anything you please because there are no ethics behind your words.

    But, I guess that's understandable since God and prayer were taken out of the schools. A teacher cannot lead his/her students in reciting the Lord's Prayer. A student cannot pray the Lord's Prayer at any school event. Yet, the very same teachers can demand their students, (American CITIZENS) pledge allegiance to foreign countries while standing on US soil.

    In closing, can't help but wonder how the American public would have viewed this issue during World War II? I can't begin to describe the cry of outrage that I believe would have happened had this teacher's actions happened then.

    Gina, times surely have changed. And not for the better. ​
     
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    Well if their saying "I'm a Mexican American" here seems to be a loyalty issue. And waving their flag so proudly here just opens the door to more agendas like this student encountered. I put the blame squarely on our elected leaders that try to spoon feed us "We know best". Hummmm I have an Irish great grandfather so maybe I should be know as an "Irish American".
     
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