Textual differences between the 1560 Geneva Bible and the 1611 KJV

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    The 1560 Geneva Bible and the 1611 KJV along with other pre-1611 English Bibles are placed on the KJV-only view's "pure" stream of Bibles or good tree of Bibles.

    I know of no source that provides a list of the actual textual differences between the 1560 Geneva Bible and 1611 KJV that some have claimed are "practically identical" or are basically the same Bibles. I have seen mention of a couple differences in some non-KJV-only sources such as at Luke 17:36 or at John 14:1, but no suggestion that there was over 20 textual differences. All these differences are not found in those later editions of the Geneva Bible that had Tomson's 1576 New Testament.

    This is not presented as being a complete list. I have found more since posting a shorter list on another thread. This will give those interested in the facts starting places to check in comparing the 1560 Geneva Bible and the KJV.

    While some of the earlier pre-1611 English Bibles have other textual differences because based on Erasmus's earlier Greek editions such as not having Mark 11:26, Revelation 21:26, and a textual difference at Luke 2:33 and Luke 2:22, this list will also serve to indicate some of the actual textual differences in the varying Textus Receptus editions and in the Greek manuscripts on which those TR editions were based.

    Likely Textual differences between the 1560 Geneva Bible and the 1611 KJV

    Matthew 1:11 "Jacim. And Jacim begat" [these words in 1560 Geneva Bible are not in the 1611 KJV] [see also 1611 edition's marginal note]

    Matthew 26:26
    and when he had given thanks [1560 Geneva Bible]
    and blessed it [1611 KJV] [see 1611 marginal note]

    Mark 8:14
    And they had forgotten [1560 Geneva Bible]
    Now the disciples had forgotten [1611 KJV] [the 1769 KJV edition would put "the disciples" in italics by comparison to the 1550 Stephanus TR edition, but this textual difference is found in an edition of Beza likely followed by the KJV translators]

    Mark 8:24
    I see men for I see them walking like trees [1560 Geneva Bible]
    I see men as trees, walking [1611 KJV]

    Mark 9:16
    among yourselves [1560 Geneva Bible]
    with them [1611 KJV] [see 1611 marginal note]

    Mark 15:3 "but he answered not" [these words in KJV are not in 1560 Geneva Bible and other pre-1611 English Bibles]

    Luke 10:22 "Then he turned to his disciples" [these words in 1560 Geneva Bible are not in 1611 KJV's text] [see 1611 marginal note]

    Did the KJV remove words from the text of the pre-1611 English Bible and put them in a marginal note?

    Luke 17:36 [this verse in the KJV is not in the 1560 Geneva Bible and some other pre-1611 English Bibles]
    The 1560 Geneva Bible has a verse 36 but it is what is verse 37 in the KJV. [see 1611 edition's marginal note]

    John 8:6 "as though he heard them not" [these words in KJV are not in 1560 Geneva Bible and some other pre-1611 English Bibles]

    John 8:59 "going through the midst of them, and so passed by" [these words in KJV are not in 1560 Geneva Bible and some other pre-1611 English Bibles]

    John 14:1 "And he said to his disciples" [1560 Geneva] [these words found in several of the pre-1611 English Bibles are not in KJV]

    Acts 25:6
    no more than ten days [1560 Geneva]
    more than ten days [1611 KJV] [see 1611 marginal note]

    Romans 5:17
    by the offence of one [1560 Geneva]
    by one man's offence [1611 KJV] [see 1611 marginal note]

    Romans 8:11
    because that his Spirit [1560 Geneva Bible]
    by his Spirit [1611 KJV]
    [see 1611 marginal note, and see Edward F. Hills' book KJV Defended, p. 222 where he presented this as a textual difference between the TR editions by Beza and those by Erasmus and Stephanus]

    Romans 16:20
    with you. [1560 Geneva Bible]
    with you. Amen. [1611 KJV]

    1 Corinthians 15:31
    our rejoicing [1560 Geneva]
    your rejoicing [1611 KJV] [see 1611 marginal note]

    James 2:18
    out of thy works [1560 Geneva Bible]
    without thy works [1611 KJV] [see 1611 marginal note]

    1 John 2:23b
    [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also
    [this second half of this verse in KJV is not in 1560 Geneva Bible and some other pre-1611 English Bibles]

    1 John 3:16
    love [1560 Geneva Bible]
    love of God [1611 KJV] [the 1769 KJV would later put the words "of God" in italics based on the 1550 Stephanus, but Greek words for "of God" may be in an edition by Beza]

    Revelation 2:24
    I say, the rest [1560 Geneva]
    I say, and unto the rest [1611 KJV] [According to what I have read, one or more of Beza's TR editions have an "and" not in earlier TR editions]

    Revelation 5:11
    elders, & there were thousand thousands [1560 Geneva Bible]
    elders, and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands [1611 KJV]

    Revelation 16:5
    and Holy [1560 Geneva Bible]
    and shall be [1611 KJV] [KJV followed conjecture introduced by Beza in his Greek text]

    Revelation 17:5
    mother of whoredoms [1560 Geneva Bible]
    mother of harlots [1611 KJV] [see 1611 marginal note]

    Can any KJV-only advocate present a list of claimed textual differences between the KJV and the NKJV that are greater than those listed above between the 1560 Geneva Bible and the KJV that KJV-only advocates have asserted are "basically the same Bibles" or are "practically identical"?

    Do any readers of this forum know of other textual differences between the 1560 Geneva Bible and the KJV?
     

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