The 10 Comandments & The New Testament

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  1. Servent

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    This post is for Tractster In a reply on a another post you said "I have concerns about the teachings of Ray Comfort his use of the 10 comandments in evangelism is not a new testament teaching The approach was not used by Jesus or the apostles"
    Well here are some of the things Jesus said, along with a few other great men.
    Almost 1500 years after God gave the laws, Jesus upheld them, calling them the comandments & listing 5 of them for the rich young ruler (matt 19;16-19)
    Jesus also said in ( matt 5;17) Think not that I am come to destory the law or the prophets. I am not come to destory but to fulfill.
    Jesus specifically mention the laws aganist killing (matt5;21) & committing adultery (matt5;27)
    (matt5;18-19) Jesus said, For verily I say unto you till heaven & earth pass, not 1 jot Or 1 tittel shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least comandments & shall teach men so he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whosoever shall do & teach them the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    Paul said he had not know sin but by the law.
    Using the 10 comandments is very much a new testment teaching, if you dont think so talk to these men.
    Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones " A gospel which merely say's come to Jesus & offers him as a friend, & offers a marvelous new life without convincing him of sin IS NOT NEW TESTAMENT EVANGELISM.( The essence of evangelism is to start by preaching the law & it is because the law has not been preached that we have had so much superficial evangelism true evangelism must first start by preaching the law."
    In his book Holiness J.C. Ryle wrote People will never set theit faces decidedly towards heaven & live like pilgrims until they understand that they are in danger of hell... Let us expound & beat the 10 comandments & show the length& breadth & depth & height of their requirements. This is the way of our LORD in the sermon on the mount. we cannot do better than to follow His plan We may depend on it.Men will never come to Jesus & stay with Jesus & live for Jesus unless they really know why they are to come,& what is their need.
    My personal favorite D.L. Moody " It is a great mistake to give a man who has not been convicted of sin certain passages that were never meant for him. The law is what he needs... Do not offer the consolation of the gospel until he sees & knows he is guilty before God. We must give enough of the law to take away all self-righteousness. I pity the man who preaches only one side of the turth - always the gospel & never the law."
    I have used Ray Comforts teachings by using the 10 comandments it works when a person is saved by using the law then the gospel a person is saved to the udder most

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    No thoughts on this subject.
     
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    I emphasize both Law and Gospel. Without a knowledge of sin, there is no understanding of God's grace.
     
  4. Tractster

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    Servant,

    Thanks for sharing this.

    Let me begin by saying I have the highest respect for Ray Comfort and I believe he is sincere. But my understanding of the pure Gospel is based on the revelation given to the Apostle Paul.

    For instance, he defines the Gospel in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Nothing is said about the law.

    Then in Romans 1:16, 17, Paul says the Gospel (not the law) is the power unto salvation to all who believe. For in the Gospel (not the law), the rightousness of God is revealed.

    Also in Romans, Paul makes it clear that by the deeds of the law, no one is justified. Paul also explains the purpose of the law in Romans and in Galatians.

    Law has a purpose and it has not been done away with. So I certainly believe in it.

    As for the Gospels, where Christ spoke about certain issues, it's important to remember context and the people to whom he was addressing. Dispensation comes into play.

    I won'tgo into the "lordship vs. free grace" here, but it's important to look at the Gospel of John, the only book in the bible that states its purpose is to bring people to faith in Christ.

    When Christ spoke to Nicodemus about being born again, He did not offer a list of commandments for him to keep. In fact, John 3 does not mention the law as playing a role in salvation.

    As you may know, the Gospel of John uses the word "believe" about 96 (?) times.

    When Christ spoke to the woman at the well, he did not offer the law. When He raised Lazarus from the dead, He clearlysaid those who believe (emphasis on believe -- nothing about the law) would never die.

    Then there's the popular question in Acts: 'What must I do to be saved?"

    According to Ray Comfort's view, Paul should have handed the guy a list of commandments, walked him through them and once the guy admitted he'd broken the commandments, then Paul would lead him to Christ.

    But no. That's not how Paul responded. He kept it simple. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved."

    For it is by grace that we are save. I agree with the Reformers: It's faith alone in Christ alone."

    Martin Luther achieved a good balance on the use of Law and Gospel. His view might be summarized in the saying, "comfort the afflicted and afflict the comforted."

    In other words, use law to show people (like the Pharisees) they are sinners; but use Gospel (grace) to comfort those who know they are sinners (like the woman caught in adultery).

    I strive for balance. No easy believism and no legalism. My goal is to not frustrate the Gospel.

    Salvation is a FREE gift; but if you have to work for it (Rom. 4), it is no longer free.

    Instead of emphasizing the law to people, I exalt the cross -- "Christ and Him crucified."

    I cannot and will not add anything to what Christ did on the Cross.

    But then someone may say that Comfort's method works and that people are getting saved. I say, "Praise the Lord." At the same time, I can't based my faith on experience and methods. My faith must rest on the clear teaching of Scripture.

    Books have been written to suggest that Pentecostals have the fastest growing churches in America and especially over seas. Some would say, they must be right because of all the souls they're winning. When I hear the great reports, I say, "Praise the Lord."

    But again, experience must not be the guide here. We must look to the Word of God as the final authority.

    I pray that God continues to use you in bringing people to Christ.

    Roscoe

    [ December 11, 2003, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: Tractster ]
     
  5. Servent

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    Trasctster, Not sure but maybe we miss understood one another. In no way am I trying to take anything away from the cross,salvation is a free gift and there is nothing we can do to earn it (EPH.2:8-9).
    You said "use the law to show people(like the pharisess) they are sinners, but use the gospel(grace) to comfort those who are sinners".
    That is exalty what Ray Comfort teaches, and I thought thats what I was sayig when I posted to you. The verses I used should show in some cases Jesus also used the law.
    The only reason I use the law is to show someone they are a sinner then I give them the gospel.
    I dont know about but I dont hav many people that come up to me and say Im a sinner what do I need to do, It would nice though.

    Thanks Servent
     
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    Ray Comfort is critical of tracts like, "Have you heard of the four spiritual laws?" He criticizes teachings that say "God has a plan for you."

    My question is: Why can't he say what Paul said when presenting the Gospel?

    As I mentioned previously, my concern is that he (in my opinion) puts too much emphasis on the law.

    His analogy about putting on a parachute (also used by Kirk Cammeron)is weak at best. He's comparing a natural warning with the Gospel message. Somewhere, the analogy breaks down. The difference is that the Gospel has the power to save and my warning about a plane crash does not. One message is the inspired Word of God which is quick and powerful and sharper than a two-edged sword; the other message is human, which people can take or leave.

    In other words, we're talking apples and oranges.

    Then, even on the natural level, his analogy breaks down: It comes down to faith, whether one really believes the plane will or will not crash, irregardless of the how the message is presented.

    Comfort quotes Martin Luther, but he fails to note that Luther also said it's foolish to try and remember and confess all sins. It can't be done, he said.

    Servent, I think you and I agree on the essential elements of the Gospel. We just disagree on the presentation.

    But hey, we're still brothers (assuming you're male :)) in Christ and that's what matters.

    Thanks for the discussion.

    Roscoe
     

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