Revelation 4: 1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. John is called up into heaven in verse one of Revelation 4 after hearing a voice as if it were a trumpet. For most pre-trib - pre-mil proponents this is a sign of the church being called out in 1 Thessalonians and 2 Corinthians 15. Almost all non-pre-trib pre-mil say it shows nothing of that. But then you must explain who the 24 elders John sees seated, clothed in white raiment and crowns on their heads. Notice the promises to the church of rewards, 1 Corinthians 9:25 incorruptable crown 1 Thessalonians 2:19 crown of rejoicing 2 Timothy 4: 8 crown of righteousness James 1:12 crown of life 1 Peter 5:4 crown of glory 5 Crowns promised to the believers of the church, in which we see no such crowns promised to those in O.T. or non-church believers. Then notice too they are clothed in white raiment. Revelation 3: 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see Revelation 19: 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Notice that unto those who hear what is said to the churches in Asia Minor written in the book of Revelation white raiment clean and white will be what they are dressed in, the bride in Revelation 19 is clothed in White. To the point if not the church in heaven and the 24 elders representing her as crowned and clothed in white then who are they?