The Audacity of Rhetoric

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bro. Curtis, Mar 26, 2008.

  1. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,239
    Likes Received:
    2
    It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious.....

    ......Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left? Who on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about Jeremiah Wright?.....

    ....
    While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for decades to come.
    Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may have.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/Thom..._audacity_of_rhetoric?page=full&comments=true
     
    #1 Bro. Curtis, Mar 26, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 26, 2008
  2. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,268
    Likes Received:
    776
    They are not expected to meet standards. They are only expected to call everyone else a racist who does nto give room for their butts hanging out and their improper english spued.
     
  3. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    And if we (people who are not biased by skin color) state that it is up to the individual to make his own life, no matter what race...then we are called "insensitive racist"

    I am both white and black....and none of you you owe me anyting. All that I needed was given to me by God, and it is up to me to use it...not the
    Fed, the State or the courts.....

    Get over it folks....it is up to the individual.....

    As a matter of fact, it is easier for a poor minority student to get into college than it is for a working class white......why? cause there are many, many programs to finance and put poor kids through college than there are for kids whose families actually work for a living. Many working class families cant pay for it, but the poor kids of lazy families get a free ride???????

    AJ
     
  4. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,239
    Likes Received:
    2
    Amen, AJ. Vast amounts of people from all races have been able to succeed in America.
     
  5. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    0
    It is error to equate poor with lazy. Ever heard if the working poor?
     
  6. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,239
    Likes Received:
    2
    I used to be one, until I learned how to capitalize on my true gifts. Thank God I didn't wait for Uncle Sam to help.
     
  7. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    working poor?

    what does that mean?

    when I was in high school, I had the choice of working for $3/hr for a grocery store or taking my chain saw and cutting firewood to sell, thus making $150/week instead of $40/week.

    I see it as a personal choice......and when it comes to people who are my age and still make minimum wage......that too is their choice. Basic votech skills that pay double the minimum wage are easily available and the government will pay for your school if you are poor. So why stay that way?

    Most stay that way because if they do get a better job then they will lose the government help that they are accustomed to. They would rather stay on welfare than to get a job that makes them responsible for their lives......thus the poor/minority support for the democrats....who promise all of these things but never deliver.


    If you choose to be poor, and use the government for non-deserved entitlements, then you wil always be poor and always have your hand out...it is your choice.

    AJ
     
  8. Filmproducer

    Filmproducer
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    WOW!!!! Talk about the audacity of rhetoric! For pete's sake people get over yourselves! Stop letting the tv and right ring nut jobs taint your view of the world. Your predispositions and stereotypes are very, very sad! :tear:

    Black Americans cannot win for lose with you people. Either they are racist for stepping up and acknowledging the problems within their community and working to fix them, or they are lving in a victimized and entitled mentality for mentioning THe real problems that do affect people in this country. Make up your mind. You cannot have it both ways!

    In fact please tell me how the following programs are racist and/or encouraging the participants to live within the self-defeating victimized mentality. How are these programs/awareness events fostering a sense of entitlement?

    1,000 Churches Connected
    HIV/AIDS Initiative
    Prison Outpost
    International Trade Bureau
    Kids Care
    The Rainbow/PUSH Coalition
    The King's Daughters
    Michael's Angels
    NAACP
    Millions More March
    State of the Black Union

    The list could go on, but why bother? You have made it up in your minds to continue living in ignorance. You choose to see only that which your preconceived notions allow, and are in denial of the real truth. How sad! How very, very sad!

    MODS- PLEASE FIND IT WITHIN YOURSELVES TO CLOSE THIS THREAD. NOT ONLY IS IT INFLAMMATORY AND OFFENSIVE, BUT ALSO POOR TESTIMONY TO THE BB. SUCH THREADS ARE IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE BB RULES.
     
  9. Filmproducer

    Filmproducer
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    Your post shows just how uneducated you are on this subject. :BangHead:
     
  10. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    How is it that I am "uneducated?

    Because you dont agree with me?

    Educate me....tell me what Pell Grants and financial aide loans are for people with money, and discrimnate the poor minorities?

    Tell me please?

    working class people have a much harder time sending thier kids,,,,or going themselves......to college than poor people......soooo if you have school available that will get you a better job, and you choose not to take it....then you must be either lazy or a user of the welfare system....

    AJ
     
  11. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,239
    Likes Received:
    2
    Not sure why how you know how I spend most of my time, but Thomas Sowell is black. And a winner, in my eyes.

    Get over your own self, FP.
     
  12. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,239
    Likes Received:
    2
    Seems to me black folks like this Wright guy, Jesse Jackson, & Al Sharpton have made themselves very rich telling other blacks they can't make it because of whitey. Who's really keeping who down ?
     
  13. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    """""Either they are racist for stepping up and acknowledging the problems within their community and working to fix them, or they are lving in a victimized and entitled mentality for mentioning THe real problems that do affect people in this country. Make up your mind. You cannot have it both ways!"""""

    There is one more way that you didnt mention.....that is to forget trying to get something for nothing, stop blaming white people for your probelms......and just get up and go to work to do the best you can for your family....nobody is stopping anybody.

    AJ
     
  14. Filmproducer

    Filmproducer
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    You really want to go there? Oh well, you asked for it…

    We’ll start off slow. Contemplate the following statistics. The first set are from 1991, before PWORA, The Welfare Reform Act, took effect.

    1. The black population at the time was roughly 31.4 million people

    2. The average family stayed on welfare for a period of roughly 22 months. Only 20% of families stayed on welfare for more than five years. (This is now a moot point because welfare benefits are limited to five years period) Please Note: This 20% also consisted of children and those with disabilities who are physically unable to work, such as the handicapped. While there were some who stayed on to stay on the majority did not.

    3. The average payment for a family of three was $388/month or $4,656/year. (Less than half of the $10,860 poverty level)

    4. In 1991 welfare accounted for less than one percent of the
    US federal outlays.

    5. Okay here are some racial breakdowns. Please keep in mind that Hispanic is NOT considered a race, but ethnicity and on the census (and any true academic research), they also choose a race (i.e. white or black or other). Approximately 39% of those receiving welfare were black, 38% non-Hispanic white, 3% Asian, and 17% were Hispanic-white. In a strict racial breakdown, the majority of welfare recipients are white.

    6. African Americans made up only 29% of the entire American poor

    what is interesting to note is that:

    1. 65% of poor Americans shown on television news at the time were black

    2. 62% of poor Americans shown in newsmagazines at the time were black.

    These last two facts were taken from the research of Dr. Martin Gilens, who is an associate prof. of poly sci., and a fellow at the Institution for Social and Policy Studies at Yale.

    The other facts were taken directly from the US Dept. of Health and Human Services, Characteristics and Financial Circumstances of AFDC Recipients: Fiscal Year 1991

    Okay now here are some more recent numbers.

    1. Did you know that in 2001 the poverty levels for African Americans were at a historic low of 22.7%? Mind you this is 22.7% of 32.9 million people living at or below the poverty line. During this same time the poverty levels of non-Hispanic white Americans rose from .4% to 7.8%.

    2. Of the 7.8% of whites 63.1% received some sort of means tested assistance. 53.9% received reduced school lunches, 19% received cash assistance, 29% received food stamps, and 48.2% were on Medicaid.

    3. Of the 22.7% of blacks 80.8% received some type of means based assistance. 74.9% received reduced school lunches, 33.4 received cash assistance, 47.2% received food stamps, and 65.2% were on Medicaid.

    Please note: These numbers are percentages of percentages. (I.e. 47.2% of the 22.7% of the 32.9 million received food stamps)

    These are taken directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Bureau of the Census

    let’s look at employment/unemployment stats now.

    EMPLOYMENT STATISTICS 2004-US DEPT. OF LABOR

    In 2004, according to the US Dept. Bureau of Labor Statistics, 26.5%, of working African Americans 16 and over, worked in management, professional, and related occupations. 23.8% worked in the service occupations. 26.3% worked in sales and office occupation. 6.8% worked in natural resource, construction, or maintenance occupations and 16.7% worked in production, transportation, and material moving occupations. These numbers are not drastically different from the breakdown of the non-Hispanic white. Which were 35.6%, 15.2%, 25.5%, 11.2%, and 12.4% respectively.

    Just so the percentages can be put into perspective. There were 14,909,000 total African Americans 16 and over. There were 115,239,000 non-Hispanic whites 16 and over.
    Please remember that the total number of African Americans will in fact be lower, because they are 12.4% of the population.

    UNEMPLOYMENT
    STATISTICS-US DEPARTMENT OF LABOR

    1. African Americans (there were approximately 1,729,000 unemployed African American) - 47.9% were job losers and persons who completed temp jobs. Of that 47.9%, 7.5% were on temp layoff and 40.4 were not. 8.2% were job leavers. 34.1% were reentrants. 9.8% were new entrants.

    2. Non-Hispanic whites (there were approximately 5,847,000 unemployed) - 53.1% were job losers and persons who completed temp jobs. Of that 14.0% were on temp layoff and 39.1% were not. 11.2% were job leavers. 28% were reentrants. 7.7% were new entrants.

    NOTE: all figures are taken from the population survey.

    Some more food for thought, did you even know that there are more African American accountants than African American professional athletes. The more and more you post, the more and more it seems that you are basing your knowledge of “black” culture on stereotypes. You will not define black culture. You are reverting to statistics without examining or acknowledging all of the facts. Finally, you cannot give any distinctive influences in black culture that are not also prevalent in all other American racial cultures.


    Would you like me to continue? Why don't keep on explaining your version of Black Americans and their culture. Educate us in your ignornace and stereotypes, please. I enjoy wasting my time listening to PATHETIC nonsense. It is great stress reliever. I can sit here and laugh and laugh over how smart you really think you are.....
     
  15. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,239
    Likes Received:
    2
    gee, can you condense your post into one coherent thought, please ? Tell me what all those stats should mean, to me ? You know, because I only have the prejudice of stereotypes to guide me. Then tell me why they are relevant to the O/P ?
     
  16. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    Let me give you a fact


    I have seen or heard of a "white" crack neighborhood.

    In our area, there are many drive-bys......always by blacks or hispanics.

    There is no "United White College Fund", Or "National Association For the Advancement of White People"...there is no "Congressional White Causus"

    Give me a break...I am part black and I dont need any government handouts to support my family. Only lazy people do, no matter what their skin color is.

    AJ
     
  17. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2003
    Messages:
    4,511
    Likes Received:
    0
    I disagree! Such discussion threads permit people to express their ideas - pro and con - and so long as it doesn't get too personal, vulgar, etc. We can be tolerant of each other's view even if we don't like them. I see no problem with frank comments and a bit of venting of deeper thoughts. I think there are some who wish to impose their view of how things should be thought and said by everyone else simply by silencing all other views. We need the dialogue and Christians need to be at the center of it.
     
  18. LeBuick

    LeBuick
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    11,537
    Likes Received:
    0
    The fact that those organization have a place in our society shows that most of your statements are wrong. If a blackman could always be given an equal chance for jobs, loans, education etc... then those organization wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

    As for student loans, it is a loan and you still have to qualify financially or get a co-signer. In poor neighborhoods this is tough to do.

    Lastly, you guys are lumping all blacks into one statement. If you really believe that all blacks fit your profile then perhaps you are racist. I have seen blacks in many influential positions that haven't blamed "whitey" for anything. Likewise, I have seen white poor (trash) who can also use a break to rise to a decent level of living.

    There are certianly classes in this and every country. It may not be purely race today but there are seperations that are hard to overcome. You guys should really stop lumping the entire black community into one catagory... You show when you do that.
     
  19. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,239
    Likes Received:
    2
    Who's putting them in one category ?
     
  20. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Just a drive by here... (pun intended)

    racism is racism from both sides...

    This just sounds like the "typical white guy" talk.
     

Share This Page

Loading...