The Babylon Bee Strikes again

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  1. Iconoclast

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    #1 Iconoclast, Sep 1, 2016
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    He's leading people to wander off into myths. People who don't believe the Scriptures, they love this guy because he is teaching things that suit their own passions. 2 Timothy 4 apostasy in action.
     
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    The second link tries to demonstrate where this can lead to if unchecked...scroll down and see the implications....

    It would be nice to see a full retraction and apology for this error.
     
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    “Whom God intends to destroy, He gives them leave to play with Scripture.” Martin Luther

    ...wow!
     
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    Yes, I read through that. Stanley is heading down an unsustainable path. The arrogance and disregard for THE faith is over the top, Jude 1:4. That said it is doubtful he will retract his statements, he is immersed in his myths.

    There is no one alive today that can believe in the resurrection of Christ unless it is through the revelation that comes via the Scriptures and preaching of the Gospel, God saving whom He wills to save, 2 Timothy 2:8-10. Yet Andy Stanley disregards Scripture.
     
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    We pay the price now for thinking with our new technology and being slick, that we can get away from the basic tried and true methods of pray and bible study, meditation, and then doing those things that we are instructed to do.
    We can be thankful many people attend these places. Many are sincere. we can pray that when the glitter and slickness wears off, and the sixties music, and the 90's music fade away, that some of these people will wander in to the small churches who remain faithful.
     
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    I'm not as near familiar with the pastor as you guys, so I have to ask (not arguing a point, but asking as I have not taken the time to read/listen to one of his sermons).

    Since he has been preaching Christ and the Resurrection, what exactly has been his text if not Scripture? It's seems odd to me that a preacher, having abandoned Scripture all together, is even able to address the subject of Christ.
     
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    He is a likeable person ...that is what makes him come under such scrutiny. He more talks....like a story telling public speaker. The times I have sat through his lectures it reminded me of people on BB who post without scriptures....they just give unfounded opinion....
    If he has"good messages"..... I have not heard them yet.
    The only time I have heard about him it is negative.
     
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    Without scripture, those who found Noah's Ark would wonder how a huge wooden ship was so high up on a mountain.

    Without scripture, the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah would be a mistery in how did those rocks get so disfigured.

    Without scripture, Jesus would be labeled a rabble rouser who mocked innocent Jewish leaders.

    The scriptures are the church's bedrock on which she stands, Christ being the Chief corner Stone. Without them, the church has no foundation.
     
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    In a nutshell it is 'I don't need the Word of God, and people don't need the Word of God either. I'm more wise, I'm powerful enough, I'm going to do it my way.'
     
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    Basically a motivation speaker....like Osteen....bases "sermons" on Christianity in general but takes his lead from the audience?
     
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    Ok....I just wasted about 40 minutes of my life listening to the "Who Needs God" (Aug 13th sermon in the series). That's 40 minutes I can't get back :(.

    His comments leading up to this "sermon" have, in my opinion, been taken out of context. But his speech was not a sermon. Basically this was apologetics 101. In this "sermon" he was trying to reason the existence of God philosophically (a poor version of C.S. Lewis...in this case anyway)....or more specifically, he was painting the picture of atheism.

    Imagine a pastor telling his congregation that if they don't believe in God then they must accept the alternatives and believe such and such. It makes me wonder just what kind of church is made up of people who don't believe in God (kinda like the "Hell fire and brimstone" preachers of the past...what kind of church is made up mostly of people destined for Hell).

    His argument is that those who have left Christianity were never there to begin with. The idea that they had of God was in fact a god of their own making. He indicates that his next sermon (perhaps it's out now) is about the New Testament people have accepted is not the Bible that God authored. I can't say that I disagreed with what he said, but it was not what I would consider a sermon. It was not building up the saints in the Word, but instead it was just philosophical offerings for the faith (it reminded me a little of some of the materials Tim Keller would introduce into his sermons to support or illustrate an argument....with the focus being solely on these materials).

    I agree with you that his "sermons" miss the mark (at least this one). I still believe that he is trying to be controversial to attract attention (that the "heresy" is not as great as his comments would seem). But I have no interest in listening to him again.
     
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    The first thing a cult leader must do is get the people to ignore their bibles and listen only to the leader.

    Look at Jim Jones, long before he was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people (including 300 children), he told his congregation in Indiana to "put away your bibles and listen to me."
     
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    In my lifetime I have heard "put down your bible" more than once.

    Sirens and alarms go off, police car lights flash, angels come rushing in and I run like heck.

    HankD
     
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    Dr. R. V. Clearwaters, President of the seminary I attended, used to say, "When you hear a man tell you to put down your bible and listen to him, or when he tells you that you must be loyal to him, run, don't walk, RUN to the nearest exit!"

    How right he was!
     
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    I think the danger is greater when the "pastor" encourages men to embrace Scripture as something it is not. I am thinking here of people like Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, and Marcus Borg.
     
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    I've not read any Bell and only a little of McLaren, but I have read a couple books from Borg.

    His concept of Scripture is so foreign to an evangelical understanding as to be unrecognizable. Theologically, he lost the purpose of having a personal God at all.

    At that point, I see no reason why a person should even bother. If this life is all there is, and God is only some kind of generic "force" of some sort, why worry about any sort of morality or holiness? Just go do whatever you want!

    Of course, Borg was completely wrong, so there is every reason to "bother," so to speak.
     
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    Didn't Mr. Andy refer to his sermons as 'conversations'?
     
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    Sounds like some hybrid epicurean doctrine.
     
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