The Big Lie :Treasongate

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  1. ASLANSPAL

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    The Big Lie About Valerie Plame
    By Larry Johnson
    From: TPMCafe Special Guests
    The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.


    For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.


    Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.


    A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.


    The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey.[b}Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.[/b]


    The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.


    They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.


    But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report. Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.


    The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not. She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major. Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.


    At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.
     
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    The treason is by those giving aid and comfort to our enemies!
     
  3. KenH

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    Why is Bob Novak not being investigated by the grand jury?
     
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    You got that right, OldRegular!
     
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    This fellow, Larry Johnson, sure does talk about a lot of things, especially for a CIA operative. We'll see how it all shakes out and where Joe, Valeire, and others end up. One thing's for sure, Larry's another one of the "Bush lied - People died" choir members.

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    [​IMG]will rove become synonymous with Benedict
    Arnold?(pic is obvious caricature)

    one thing is for sure loose lips sink ships

    Listen to Revolver-Support the Beatles ;)
     
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    This is yet another diversion being used by both major political parties to keep the sheeple from going ballistic over our porous borders and security risks, by failure to enforce our immigration laws and deportation of illegal aliens.

    Each week, there is another issue to steal the headlines away from what our elected officials should be doing to secure our nation.

    Karl Rove should be fired and Wahhabi Islamist Grover Norquist should not have the Presidential ear.

    And I am the cheese. The cheese stands alone. :(
     
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    No, since regardless of what Rove did, it was not treasonous.
     
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    There is no evidence of an "coordinated, orchestrated smear." That was a dumb thing to say. He should be held accountable. The orchestrated smear is going on on Karl Rove. There is no evidence that he did anything wrong. It is funny to hear an FBI/CIA guy talk about a moral and ethical code. These are people who lie about their identity in order to spy. That is neither moral nor ethical.

    As of what we know now, Rove simply told a reporter where he could get factual information about Wilson's trip. Wilson lied, and got caught. Major reports have indicated Wilson lied. Why people are still defending him is incredible.

    What happened to waiting for the facts before we judge somebody? Speaking of ethics and morality, it is unethical and immoral to blast Karl Rove right now, simply because he has not been proven to have done anything wrong. It is too bad that common sense isn't very common, especially when you can score political points.
     
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    This whole story is falling apart, Aslanspal, and yet another attack from the leftists is debunked.
     
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    That's true! You finally wrote one little thing I can agree with, ASLANSPAL!
     
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    This fellow, Larry Johnson, sure does talk about a lot of things, especially for a CIA operative. We'll see how it all shakes out and where Joe, Valeire, and others end up. One thing's for sure, Larry's another one of the "Bush lied - People died" choir members.

    Show resolve - Support the Cause!
    </font>[/QUOTE]Fox News reported that a number of CIA agents were leaking information prior to the election last year in an attempt to harm Bush. I have long believed that we need to clean house there.
     
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    Great post there!
    By lack of honest diagnosis the republic goes bananas while the culture slips into Babylon.
     
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    No slander necessary. Joe Wilson is a proven liar.
     
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    That's true! You finally wrote one little thing I can agree with, ASLANSPAL! </font>[/QUOTE][​IMG]
     
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    Will someone please tell me why the press wasnt all over the Sandy Berger theft (Remember that one , liberals?) of stolen secret documents like they are all over Karl Rove?
     
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    MORE ON ROVE

    Despite hearing the same thing from Scott McClellan several days running, the press descended their hordes on the Cabinet Room yesterday to ask President Bush about the Karl Rove saga. With Rove sitting behind him, Bush said: "This is a serious investigation. I will be more than happy to comment on this matter once this investigation is complete. I also will not prejudge the investigation based on media reports." So, once again, the media has gotten nowhere.

    There was, of course, more Karl Rove coverage on the tube this morning. One CNN reporter referred to Rove and "his role in outing a covert CIA agent."

    Hold on a moment. Either I've missed something here, or someone is assuming facts not in evidence. So ... just to straighten me out, would someone, somewhere please tell me who has said that Valerie Plame was an undercover CIA agent ... other, that is, than the media and her husband Joe Wilson? Look ... I know that the media says that Plame was an undercover CIA agent .. but this is the same media that wants Rove's head on a stake. The official line seems to be she had a desk job at the CIA at the time all of this happened. There were many people in Washington, including reporters, who knew that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.

    One key provision of the law Rove is alleged to have broken states that to be a covert agent, a person must have been doing work in the field sometime in the last 5 years. It turns out Valerie Plame may have already been outed over a decade ago....by Aldrich Ames, the turncoat spying for the Soviets back in 1994. She was brought back to the states and given a desk job at the CIA. Apparently she also came and went in public. So even if Rove had named her, he wouldn't have broken the law. But the special prosecutor says Rove isn't the target. Dead end for the Democrats on that one.

    And by the way, there's still nobody that knows who the New York Times' Judith Miller is protecting by sitting in prison.

    Wouldn't it be nice if the Democrats and the media would worry as much about government over-spending and winning in Iraq as they do about trying to claim a trophy kill in the White House?

    - SOURCE
     
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    That's true! You finally wrote one little thing I can agree with, ASLANSPAL! </font>[/QUOTE][​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]... and then you blew it!
     
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    Karl Rove could have come clean long ago. It's time for the West Wing to take the heat.


    On TV recently, I called Matt Cooper's then-unknown source a thug, someone watching from a privileged perch in the White House as Cooper went through hell in the Valerie Plame case.

    Now that I know the source was Karl Rove, I would like to revise and extend my remarks. Rove is not a thug, he is a coward. He could have come clean long ago, saved millions in taxpayers' dollars and spared everyone a lot of agony. Instead, we've had a two-year investigation to find out what President Bush could have learned by walking across the hall.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-carlson14jul14,0,3539273.column
     
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    Because most of the DC press "core" are so far left they are in danger of falling off the edge. :D
     

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