"the Christ" in the KJV

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Hmmm....been reading Ruckman again?
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I have heard his name, and have learned portions here of what he believes, but I have never read anything by him and don't know him nor what he specifically believes, or has said.


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Looks as if he DOES know the meaning of this Scripture...in both Greek and English.
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He "thinks" he knows what the meaning of this scripture is, but he doesn't, because his focus is upon the wrong word.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle:As it is EVIDENCED God corrected this - yes, and with understanding the scripture properly (in the Spirit of Truth), absolutley yes.

No, the AV translators made a new rendering, which is less than correct.

Yes absolutely "in" is wrong in this passage.

Not according to the Greek, from which our English NTs are translated.


If you take the focus off from the word "water" you might then understand why. This has NOTHING TO DO
WHATSOEVER WITH WATER SPRINKLING EITHER. It is only men's feeble attempts to say God's word is in error because of lack of understanding the truth in the scriptures.

The focus HASN'T been on "water"; it's been on "in" and "with", & the Greek preposition "en". There's no question that the Greek "hudor" means "water".

 

ASV Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:

Latin Vulgate
Matthew 3:11 ego quidem vos baptizo in aqua in paenitentiam qui autem post me venturus est fortior me est cuius non sum dignus calciamenta portare ipse vos baptizabit in Spiritu Sancto et igni

Reina-Valera
Matthew 3:11 Yo á la verdad os bautizo en agua para arrepentimiento; mas el que viene tras mí, más poderoso es que yo; los zapatos del cual yo no soy digno de llevar; él os bautizará en Espíritu Santo y en fuego

As well as all Greek mss.

HankD

 

robycop3:Hmmm....been reading Ruckman again?
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Michelle:I have heard his name, and have learned portions here of what he believes, but I have never read anything by him and don't know him nor what he specifically believes, or has said.

But you often write stuff as he does, and as gail Riplinger does, especially with your "New Age' stuff.

Rucky questions the salvation of anyone who disagrees with him...he places the accuracy of the KJV above its Greek & hebrew sources...Riplinger says many terms used in modern Bibles are New Age.

If it SMELLS like a rose.........


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Looks as if he DOES know the meaning of this Scripture...in both Greek and English.
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He "thinks" he knows what the meaning of this scripture is, but he doesn't, because his focus is upon the wrong word.

The Greek is pretty plain. A proper translation is the tail, while its source is the dog. You're trying to wag the Greek dog with the English translation tail, as Ruckman tries.

 

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Baptize means to immerse Michelle. I hope you know that. A person is not immersed "with" something but rather "in" something.

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Take your focus off from "water", and you will understand.

Matthew 3

11. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

example:

I indeed *immerse* you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall *immerse* you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: (*_* my alteration as for example)

Websters New World Dictionary

Baptize: [<Gr. baptizen, to immerse]1. to administer baptism to 2. to initiate 3. to christen

immerse:[<L immergere ]1. to plunge into or as if into a liquid 2. to baptize by submerging in water 3. to absorb deeply; engross


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

The focus is on the preposition michelle.
Ask your bishop.

HankD

 

Michelle, The definitions you posted prove you wrong. Are you really too vain to see that?

 

My focus is, as yours should be, on the whole phrase as it fits into the context of this passage of scripture.

"With water" does not mean the same thing as "in water". One is the better translation and one is not. One refutes baptism by sprinkling but the other doesn't. One supports Baptist doctrine. One has an Anglican bias.

 

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But you often write stuff as he does, and as gail Riplinger does, especially with your "New Age' stuff.

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This is what God refers to as the unity in the Spirit of Truth or having one mind.

Romans 15

1. We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
2. Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
3. For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
4. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
5. Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6. That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Ephesians 4

1. I Therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2. With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3. Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5. One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Phillipians 1

27. Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
28. And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
29. For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
30. Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.

Philippians 2

1. If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2. Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
3. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
15. That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
16. Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

1 Peter 3

8. Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
9. Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
10. For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
11. Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
12. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
13. And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
14. But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
15. But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16. Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Another anglican flavor:

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

The church in the wilderness. But the Church was in the future at Mount Sinai at the giving of the Law and could not exist before the cross.

The Anglo-Catholic brand of Covenant Theolgy which confounds the distinction between Israel and the Church has given us this unfortunate translation which should be "assembly" or "congregation".

Unless of course, one subscribes to the "advanced-revelation" theory then "church" would be appropriate here.

Though I distinctly remember one KJVO wannabee saying he/she did not.

HankD

 

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"With water" does not mean the same thing as "in water". One is the better translation and one is not. One refutes baptism by sprinkling but the other doesn't. One supports Baptist doctrine. One has an Anglican bias.
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This is your "opinion", so as to try to prove a false claim, but God's word has said otherwise. See my example.

John 16


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

robycop3:But you often write stuff as he does, and as gail Riplinger does, especially with your "New Age' stuff.

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Michelle:This is what God refers to as the unity in the Spirit of Truth or having one mind.

But at no time does he condone having one INCORRECT mind.
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NOW...Where's the post of the statement you said I made, Michelle?

AS I SAID, THIS AINT GONNA GO AWAY!!

 

16. Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

Yes this is one passage I do understand even in my spiritually depraved condition having been on the receiving end of it here at the BB.

HankD

 

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The focus is on the preposition michelle.
Ask your bishop.

HankD
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I recieve understanding from my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

I posted this to a specific individual who did not respond, so I will ask any KJVO the same.

Here is another area of the Church of England influence on the 1611AV:

KJV 1 Timothy 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

To any KJVO:
Does the office of bishop exist in your local Baptist Church?

If no, why not?

HankD

 

I recieve understanding from my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

"Amen, sister! Me too~and have for 50 yrs that I've been saved...long before I ever heard of Ruckman, Gail, Gipp, Independent Fundamentalism, or anything else we've been linked to. Like I've said before, I was king james, before being king james wasn't cool, and didn't even know that, cuz all we ever called it is the Holy Bible. I do believe reading anything else assists towards what's wrong in the world today, including New Ageism.

You've done a super job holding your own and I've been steadily praying for you. I have understood everything on all the threads that you've written & you have shown a sweet spirit. I know you're tired and also have a household to run, but the Lord will bless you for your stand. May God be glorified in our lives!

 

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Was King James crucified for you?

 

Hey broHankD! I used the term "king james" because it's what I've come to find out that's what folks here think of me..."king james only". I was THAT bible (only) before I discovered it wasn't "cool" to be king james only...understand?

 

Oh, and another thing...my bible just has Holy Bible in faded letters, well really, just the indents of them, and the first few pages have been gone for years, so I've never considered the man King James when I've read from it. And I don't think all the folks who use another type think that what/who's ever name is on it was crucified for them either, do you? Are we nit-pickin'?

 

Hiya Sister Granny!

Oh you always know just the right time to brighten up my day! Thank you so much for your kindness and kind words, and I very much appreciate them, and need them. The Lord is always giving in our time of need, and I thank our Lord Jesus Christ for you.
All my strength in these threads (and in life) comes from our precious Saviour, to whom all the credit goes. Without His strength, and without his understanding, I would not be able to stand.

Praise the Lord for people like you, who have been blessed in always knowing what He has done for them and who share this testimony with others! You don't post much sister, but when you do, the kindness and meekness of Jesus Christ our Lord shows through your spirit showing forth his truth and his touch upon and in your life.

Thank you also, very much for your prayers, as I have needed them. May the Lord be glorified through us, and may you always abound in His peace that surpasses all understanding.

I love you dear sister in Christ.

michelle