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Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by TWade, Feb 27, 2004.
What of the Constitution Party? What are your thoughts concerning it? What's the good/bad?
The CP is against the Federal Marriage Amendment.
To me their foreign policy is not stated or stated unclearly, but it seems that they want withdraw from Iraq and end the war there.
They want to return to the gold standard and to an electoral college return system before 1830 wherein each Congressional district sends an elector to the electoral college. As it is now, winner takes all of the districts in a state. Most of the time this has not mattered as the winner of the popular vote usually is elected.
The biggest problem is inexperienced leadership.
They seem to critize evangelical Christians for even examining their doctrines objectively as if the CP has a siege mentality. The CP seems to have circled the wagons and started to fire at anything that moves. Kindness is not spoken by the CP.
Actually, the CP's foreign policy is stated quite clearly in their official platform. Church mouse guy simply isn't able to intellectually comprehend it:
"The only Constitutional purpose and basis of foreign policy is to serve the best interests of the U.S., not to police the world. We pledge our allegiance to the American Republic. We say "No!" to any so-called New World Order or to any one-world government. Not one whit of American autonomy may be given up to any international organization or group of nations.
We oppose entangling foreign alliances. NATO no longer serves a defensive purpose and the U.S. must withdraw from it.
The Constitution Party opposes any alliance or participation in any treaty or agreement that compromises our independence as a nation, or that subverts our Constitution by improperly committing us to participation in foreign conflicts or intervention in foreign wars.
All treaties must be subordinate to the Constitution, since the Constitution is the only instrument which empowers and limits the federal government.
The United States must not enter into agreements that would have an adverse impact on the security and safety of this nation.
The Constitution Party calls on the United States to withdraw from the United Nations and to require the U.N. to move out of the United States.
The United States must withdraw from all international monetary and financial institutions and agencies, e.g., the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, WTO, NAFTA, GATT, etc.
Under no circumstances shall any international power or agency levy a tax on American citizens.
Ever since World War II, the United States has provided military and non-military aid to over 100 nations. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been poured down that bottomless pit — with little evident benefit to the safety and security of the American people. Not only have we given aid to our "friends," but even to "neutrals," by means of which aid we hoped to buy their "friendship." Finally, we are now committing ourselves to send the taxpayers’ dollars to those who have been our enemies for years. This must stop!
Congress and the President have a duty to provide for the defense of this country, but the American people have no similar duty to provide for the defense of any foreign nation. Further, the U.S. Government has no Constitutional authority to tax the American people to provide aid of any kind to foreign governments.
The Constitution Party, therefore, will terminate all programs of foreign aid, whether military or non-military, to any foreign government or to any international organization, including the United Nations, the IMF, the World Bank, and other similar institutions.
The United States should recognize Taiwan (Free China) as a sovereign nation. We should also withdraw recognition of Communist China, which is a murderous and tyrannical regime enslaving the Chinese people."
Church mouse guy is obviously the pot that calls the kettle black.
His numerous falsehoods and half-truths about the CP, and his willful misrepresentations of their policies--prove beyond a shadow of doubt that kindness is not spoken by church mouse guy.
And he would be well-advised to read and heed the Lord's commandment not to bear false witness against his fellow man--a commandment that he has flagrantly violated right here on this board.
From the CP platform( www.constitutionparty.org/party_platform.php#Family ):
The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The marriage covenant is the foundation of the family. We affirm, therefore, that no government may authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted. Parents have the fundamental right and responsibility to nurture, educate, and discipline their children. Assumption of any of these responsibilities by any governmental agency usurps the role of the parents.
I would recommend that you browse the Constitution Party's Web site and read their platform, then take a look at Michael Peroutka's site, listen to his speech, watch his videos, and then you will have the information you need to make a decision about the party. You will get different opinions about all of the parties from everyone you ask, but the only opinion that matters is yours when you cast your vote in November.
Some people tell me that I am wasting my vote because I am voting for Michael Peroutka and the Constitution Party in November. I believe the only time you waste your vote is when you vote for something you don't believe in.
If you believe in the liberal policies of the Democrats then you need to vote for them. If you believe in the "compassionate conservative" policies of the Republicans then you need to vote for them. If you believe in the principles found in the United States Constitution, then you need to vote for the candidate who will protect and defend it, regardless of their party affiliation.
Thank you for your reply and advice. I've spent this evening at the Constitution Party website. I agree with what I am reading there. I believe that I can give my support to this effort.
I also agree with you: voting for what you believe in is not a wasted vote.
I enjoyed Michael Peroutka's Official Announcement speech and gave a few heart-felt "Amens" while listening.
I look forward to reading and hearing more from both Michael Peroutka and the Constitution Party.
Here is the type of "kindness" practiced by the CP members, "Church mouse guy simply isn't able to intellectually comprehend it:..."
Evidently, this sort of personal attack pleases the CP and the moderators of this thread, who fly the CP banner.
You can read the CP platform all day and not know if they are going to withdraw from Iraq or not.
The true face of the CP once the mask is dropped can be read in the posts of Conservative Christian. I wonder if he has a license from the moderators?
CMG, don't worry about anything. The CP will completely and utterly fail worse than the green party.
Hey, CMG, the platform you are reading was adopted in 2000. We had not invaded Iraq in 2000.
Therefore, I respectfully request that you abstain from attacking the Constitution Party on an issue that was not relevant to the 2000 plaform. A new platform will be adopted in June. Please wait and read it at that time for the party's stance on Iraq.
I am always amazed, and saddened , that Christian conservatives want to bash a party that actually stands for what they believe in - honoring God, defending the Family, restoring the Republic.
Yep. Pray for Godly men who will take a stand, and then trash them because their righteousness appears foolish to the worldly.
I checked the Republican Party platform. It soes not say anything either.
In the foreign policy section it does offer this tidbit, though"
"...Authority to negotiate new fast-track trade agreements was slapped down by the administration’s own party in the Congress. An initiative to establish free trade throughout the Americas has stalled because of this lack of Presidential leadership. The problems of Mexico have been ignored, as our indispensable neighbor to the south struggled with too little American help to deal with its formidable challenges..."
"Sending our military on vague, aimless, and endless missions rapidly saps morale. Even the highest morale is eventually undermined by back-to-back deployments, poor pay, shortages of spare parts and equipment, inadequate training, and rapidly declining readiness. When it comes to military health, the administration is not providing an adequate military health care system for active-duty service members and their families and for retired service members and their dependents. The nation is failing to fulfill its ethical, and legal health care obligations to those that are serving or have honorably served in the Armed Forces of the United States. It is no surprise that the all-volunteer force — the pride of America — is struggling to recruit and retain soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines. As recruiting lags, well-trained personnel are leaving in record numbers..."
And, this one makes you wonder if the Republicans even read their own platform:
"We affirm that homosexuality is incompatible with military service..."
Quotes from: http://www.gop.com/About/PartyPlatform/default.aspx?Section=8
The CP stands behind the tactics of the extremist elements who seek to smear anyone who dares to inquire into its positions. I agree that the CP will fail like the Green Party because hate is not the glue that wins adherents. One would think that the moderators would be ashamed of what is done in the name of the CP.
church mouse guy, you seem pretty bitter about something. I have not seen any "extremist elements who seek to smear anyone who dares to inquire into its positions" from the CP, and I have been a registered active member since 1999.
Right, it is the fault of the victim. Never give anyone the benefit of the the doubt. The Holy CP would not do anything rude, would they?
Here is a mild example, NetPublicist, "Church mouse guy simply isn't able to intellectually comprehend it:..."
I suppose this sort of stuff has your applause, NetPublicist, or even have you seen anything like that since 1999 when you first signed on here?
At this point, I think that I might know the CP by their fruits.
I don't think the Constitution Party said that about you, just one person on this forum, who may or may not be a registered member of the Constitution Party. I probably don't agree 100% with everyone in the Constitution Party, for that matter I probably don't agree with anyone 100%. I am voting for the Constitution Party candidate because they are the only ones who are willing to protect and defend the US Constitution. Both the Republicans and the Democrats are slowly moving us to socialism, which would lead to the end of the USA that our founding fathers put set in place.
Of course, no one agrees with any party on everything.
Republics are governed by committees, and committees mean compromises and delays. The idea of a Christian Party is intriguing to me but heretofore it never occurred to me that political doctrine would get intertwined with theology like Siamese twins that could not be separated. There seems to be no way to prevent that confusion so I think that I will re-examine secular parties. One does not want a political party that denounces its opponents in theological terms for political differences.
It seems to me that the CP is going to have to encourage the soapbox meanies to leave the CP.
Is there no balm in Gilead?