These fella's on this forum who keep denying that infants are born with a sinfual nature cannot answer a simple question but must CHANGE THE SUBJECT every time I ask it! Why? Because it exposes their foolish theology so clearly that their only option is to ignore the question and run as fast as their little feet can carry them. Infants as soon as they are capable of expression from birth manifest attitudes of anger, wrath, selfishness, stubborness, etc., without being trained to do so, without being capable of rational understanding or willful decision to do so and parents must restrain them by discipline - FROM WHENCE DO THESE THINGS COME? 1. Do they come from the fruit of the Spirit? 2. Do they come from the fruit of the flesh? 3. Are these traits of the "image of God"?? At the very minimum they are sins by OMISSION since such traits surely "come short of the glory of God"? So from whence do such attitudes and expressions come from if not from birth by nature??? If you don't like the label "original sin" then put any label you like on it but from whence do the attitudes naturally expressed in infants arise?