John C still waiting for your reply in the Metzger thread. Anyways reading a book tonight (well a book I started more than a year ago that have not finished) and in the present chapter the author has been talking about ways into the occult. He has mentioned drugs and that many on LSD and other drugs see things similar to what a Hindu Mystic would see. I have met people that have been high on drugs and have told me what they saw. A devil riding on a motorcycle, a dead person talking with them, among other terrible signs. Actually many years ago when I was a Weslyian I had a terrible experience one night and heard some terrible things. Usually people dismiss them as being crazy, but perhaps they are not, its just the drugs allowed them to gain access to the spirit world. This author has written books on spiritual warfare and seems to know his stuff on this subject. A thread recently claimed that meeting demon possessed people was not possible, however it is. Do not believe me? Then read this book that I am reading and read of stories. The author did not make these up. Get the book. Satan's Evangelistic Strategy for this New Age Ever spoken to someone high on drugs whom claims to have met a devil? What about Bruce Lee whom was not high on drugs but involved in a cult. The film Dragon showed his experience with a certain devil. Was he crazy? The devils are real.