The extent of God's help when we mess up?

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  1. Hamtramck_Mike

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    This was posted by me in another thread, but I thought it had a better home here so I moved it over. OK, then, as Christians, when we mess up and make mistakes that cause us loss either personal or otherwise, we know that we can ask the Lord for forgivness for our misstep, but can we also ask Him to restore what was lost as a result of our actions or words when you are sure that only a decree or decision from Him would make the situation right again? :confused: [​IMG]
     
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    You can ask. But that doesn't mean he is going to say yes.

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  3. TaterTot

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    Sure, you could ask, but you might just have to suffer the consequences in order to learn what you need to learn in the first place.
     
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    If I rip a $100. bill in half, and then ask God to put it back together, He probably is'nt going to do it. Most of the time we must face the consequences of our actions but we are given the wonderful gift of learning from ours and other's mistakes. Don't hesitate to ask the Lord to restore what you lost for all things are possible with Him, but at the same time learn valuable lessons for the future. I pray all goes well for you.
     
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    God doesn't "help those who help themselves".

    And that myth about Him "not giving us things that we cannot bear or handle". That's not true either.

    And forgiveness is not like a spiritual ATM machine. You don't say, "I'm sorry, God," and punch in your PIN number. And He doesn't send you bouquets of restoration and perfect happiness.

    We humbly repent and He guarantees us mercy in the form of forgiveness. And forgiveness is not the same a restoration.

    Jesus said, "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow has enough trouble of its own."

    We are not guarateed perfect lives nor perfect peace just because we are God's children.

    God forgives the truly repentant and sometimes restores what was lost, but we make our own beds of sin and have to lie in it.

    For example, someone may smoke like a train for many years. They may repent of it, be healed of the addiction/desire/sin, and offer a wonderful testimony or God's grace to others.

    But that doesn't mean that they won't necessarily suffer the consequences of sin: emphasema, cancer, sore throats,....having their own children being addicted to cigarettes because they were copying their parents.

    They might not suffer these things at all, but then again, because of the deterioration of this world and our own bodies, they just might.

    Repentance and falling on our faces before God doesn't mean that He will give us perfect restoration from the consequences of sin.

    He will give us mercy, grace, love, and compassion to bear out the consequences.

    There are lessons to be learned in the consequences.

    The biggest lesson is how to become dependant on God and not ourselves.

    There are lessons to be learned in the receiving of the mercy, the grace, the love, and the compassion.

    The biggest lesson here is how to love God more and more everyday.

    God hears our cries for forgiveness and takes our hands and leads us through bad times and bad experiences and bad consequences. He goes with us.

    He does not, however, carry us around like spoiled pets on a velvety feather pillows giving in to our every craving and need and being careful that nothing bad ever touches us.

    That's not Godly love.

    And we wouldn't learn how to love Him if He did.


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  6. Hamtramck_Mike

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    Thank you for your replies. My personal loss is a potential relationship with a truly wonderful woman who I used to work with who I confided in about something a manager said to me about her that I knew was not true. She then, thinking she could trust her supervisor, told him this and then he went straight to the manager that originally said this to me. This manager then calls us both into the office and then proceeds to deny that this conversation ever took place, so rather than perpetuate her lie, I put my badge down on her desk to protect my friend's job more than anything because manager was threatening termination for the both of us when manager was just trying to cover up the fact that this conversation took place between us (she was basically trying to discourage me from forming a friendship with this woman who I did not know very well at the time, but in the interim we grew close)

    So I resigned my position with the company on Dec. 2 and I have not heard from my friend since I walked out that day. I miss her very much because at the time that this all happened, that very day in fact, she was finally able to admit to me that there was something there and that this friendship was going to progress into something more for us.

    In my heart I know what I did was right in resigning rather than lie to keep my job but I know I was wrong in telling my friend this in the first place. I can handle the job loss (I got another one soon after) but if I never hear from her or see her again, that is the far greater loss for me. Now you know where I am with this. Thank you all again!
     
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    I think you should tell her. MAybe she thought you resigned because you were guilty. Call or email to check on her or tell her Happy New Year or something. She'll appreciate hearing the truth.
     
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    Problem is, I do not have her phone or E-mail as we were only interacting with each other at work. We never saw each other outside of work as it had not gotten to that point yet. She has my cell number though.

    As to her thinking I resigned because I was guilty, she has been telling people at work who I am in contact with when they ask why I quit that Manager was trying to get me to say something that was not true so she knows that it was me that was in the right in that office.
     
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    maybe they can get her contact info from her for ya
     
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    No, my gut tells me to leave this alone for now but I would appreciate your prayers that God restores this friendship and that I eventually hear from her at some point........... Thanks!
     
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    well, maybe you could pray that God would lead her to contact you. [​IMG]
     
  12. Hamtramck_Mike

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    Yes, that is my hope and prayer at this point.

    I just hope she is not upset that this whole thing happened.
     
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    Although this is not applicable to your situation, I have claimed this passage in my own life and God honored it. In fact I am more blessed now than when I went to prison.
    I AM NOT A NAME-IT-CLAIM-IT FELLOW.
    But, here ya' go.

    Joe 2:25
    And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
    Joe 2:26
    And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
    Joe 2:27
    And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
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    In any case. God is good, and generous, if it is right that you should be restored to this woman, you will.

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
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    Hamtramck Mike, maybe I missed it, but I don't think you indicated whether this woman was a believer or not. If not, maybe it's best the connection ended.
     
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    Marcia, she is not at this point. But she had a great amount of respect for me because she knows I am a devout Christian and that was one of the things that attracted her to me.

    I think we would have thought the same thing about the woman at the well, Saul of Tarsus, the blind man of John 9, the woman in the temple of John 8, Zacchaeus, ect.

    I must leave this alone for now, for that is what the Holy Spirit is telling me to do. This is now totally in the hands of God and I will trust Him to do as He sees fit.

    I do believe that I will see her again. I do not know why nor can I explain it, but I am sure you all have experienced somthing like this in your lives as Christians at some point that tested your faith in God and when it came to pass, it overwhelmed you that God did this and you recognise that none other than Him could have made it so. I cannot explain it.
     
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    The Lord will give us the power and ability to make amends and restitution for our transgressions and damages. But he won't do it for us.
     
  17. Marcia

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    But these situations are entirely different from what you are talking about.

    If you were being attracted to this woman and she is not a believer, that is potentially problematic. I am not saying it's a bad thing to be friends, but for anything beyond that, it is a problem.

    Keep in mind that the nicest people can be used to trap us in situations we later regret.
     
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    Thank you Marcia. Although I know full well what Scripture says against being unequally yoked and all, sometimes your heart makes different plans outside of your control.
     
  19. dianetavegia

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    Mike, God is God in the past, present and future. If this relationship was HIS will, you'll meet again. If not, you've learned and grown. Maybe the perfect person for you is just down the hall at your new office.

    Praying for you and your broken heart.
    Diane
     
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    Thank you Diane!
     

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