The Freewill Invitation system is a False Gospel

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    How False preachers pervert the scriptures is done most frequently in what is called the invitations to Salvation to all without exception. Some of the most common, we will show that these invites are actually efficacious calls of Grace, to most unworthy Elect sinners, and not to the spiritually dead in trespasses and sins ! Now remember, these invites are the words of God Speaking, the God Man, and they are spirit and they are Life Jn 6:63

    63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    Now ponder on this for a moment is Christ saying that His words are Spiritual ? He says they are spirit ! They are quickening and they give Life !

    Now Jesus prefaced this statement with the fact of the Spirit must give Life or quicken, and the words He is speaking are both spirit and Life, but Life must first be given by the Spirit to receive His Spiritual and Living Words, This also confirms that the Gospel is thew Word of Life

    Phil 2:16

    16Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

    And Peter states later this of Christ's words Jn 6:68

    68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

    The words of Life, the Gospel, is spiritual, and cannot be received or comprehended by the natural man 1 Cor 2:14

    14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Which Christ's Words are, for they are Spirit Jn 6:63 !

    Now though the Gospel Call can be legitimately an Invite, it is none the less a Divine Command or Imperative, an invite founded upon a Divine Authoritative Command ! We will examine next Matt 11:28 to substantiate this claim Matt 11:28

    28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
     
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    Are you kidding me?

    How many ways can you come up with to basically call non-clas heretics?

    False gospel? The only false gospel spreading through Baptist churches is the one that denies that salvation is available to all people that answer the call of the gospel. The invitation is a way of encouraging the lost to answer the call of the gospel.

    2Th_2:14 : "Whereunto he called you by our gospel

    We are commanded to spread the gospel and to encourage the lost to repent. To refuse to do that is heretic.

    The invitation is an invitation to truley repent, not just to recite a 'repeat after me" prayer.

    The intent of your post is as transparent as glass. But, of course anyone that is dogmatic about their own false gospel would believe that everyone else that doesnt believe like they do is heretic.

    How much more arrogant can you get?

    John
     
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    Brother John, I am afraid that you are about to find the answer to this question very shortly.
     
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    seek

    No, read what I posted, and if you can show me what is not accurate !
     
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    I am a calvinist in regards to salvation, but even I would have to wonder what you are saying here!


    Are you talking about "alter calls", or say that only calvinists preach true Gospel that saves?
     
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    I am saying what I posted ! If you do not understand then perhaps you should not indulge ! I have done a lot of explaining already ! The challenge is can anyone refute with scripture what I am showing from scripture that substantiate my witness !
     
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    Are you saying that we are offering the Gospel to all, and should be only giving it to the Elect?
     
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    The Freewill Invitation system is a False Gospel !



    Matt 11:28

    28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    First notice here, as previously stated that this what the antichrist ministers and followers call a offer invitation for all without exception, is really a command a imperative. The greek word for come here is a strong adverb deute and means:

    come hither, come here, come

    interjection, come!, come now!

    And it is a imperative which means:

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    The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding. Thus, Jesus' phrase, "Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mk.1:15) is not at all an "invitation," but an absolute command requiring full obedience on the part of all hearers.

    This word come is the same word Jesus spoke when He called Peter and his brother Andrew Matt 4:18

    18And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.

    19And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

    20And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.

    Vs 20 shows us the result of Jesus telling them to follow me or come !

    Mark has the account reading like this Mark 1:17

    17And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

    So folks, this dispels of the false notion that the antichrist followers put upon this verse of scripture, its not a general invite , but a attracting, a bringing ! Remember when Jesus said of His Other Sheep, He said Jn 10:16

    16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    That word bring is ago and means:

    to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind

    Those in Matt 11:28 were being brought to believe in and follow after Christ, by His command of come unto me !
     
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    Don't we invit all to the table of the Christ, but only thoseclothed with his rightousness will be allowed in?
     
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    It amazes me, beyond all comprehention, the destructive and tragic consquences that occur in the minds of some people who embrace the errors of calvinism.

    Very saddening.
     
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    You need to be dealing with the scripture I provided or I have nothing to say ! Thats the problem, folk are showed scripture and then they wannt to tlk about other things. Deal with each point I have shared and show if wrong, why its wrong !
     
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    Its saddening when folk are shown scripture and Truth of their errors and they have no defence for it !
     
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    The Great Commission was to preach the Gospel. EXACTLY what is the Gospel?

    SAY George Mason University commissioned people to go around and preach (teach) the Declaration Of Independence. Exactly what would that include? Would it include lessons on how to start an insurrection against one's present government? How/why would be teaching the Dec of Inde be different than teaching the Gospel?
     
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    You seemed to be saying that per the Bible, we would give commands to people, saying' you must get saved now" and the elect will obey and come....
     
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    You are way off, I said nothing about we giving people commands !
     
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    The Gospel is the news that God has resolved the sin problem between himself and humans and the resurrection of Jesus is the evidence. PERIOD. The rest, the "what then shall I do," is the Holy Spirit's problem. If the person doesn't respond it it not our problem. The begging and pleading to "receive" is playing "Holy Spirit."

    The best part of Calvin's teaching is we KNOW that there are people out there who WILL respond. If the last "elect" person to ever be born has died and Jesus has not returned, then God is truly evil because he is creating souls only for Hell.

    The Pelagian person, on the other hand, has no reason to believe that ANYONE to whom to preaches will respond.
     
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    THis reminds me of the Catholics who condemned the protestors for preaching faith alone.

    You need reeled in my friend and I am sure the moderators will be chasening you soon.

    Fair warning from a brother in Christ, you have been going beyond Calvinism with your accusations. If it continues, you might find yourself banned. I suggest you withdraw the thread and delete it. IMHO.
     
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    When we ask a person if they want to believe in jesus, are they sure of the Gospel, is that not inviting them?
     
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    I don't ask people if they WANT to believe in Jesus. Either a person believes or he doesn't. "Believing" is the same as concluding from the available data or from one's experience or from an analysis or another person's story/report.

    I don't think people "believe in" Jesus because of the available historical data. There is no way to prove that Jesus rose from the dead. No adult is going to believe it unless the Holy Spirit works on him.

    Yes, Christianity is the null case for most people raised by Christians same as Islam is the null case for most people born in Iran. Of course, Calvin would say the "being born" was pre-arranged by God.
     
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    I hold to calvinism amd election as per that system, but don't we still ask the person to make a decision now for Christ after the witnessing?
     
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