The Hermeneutical Flaw of Open Theism

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  1. TCGreek

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    1. For the open theists 1 John 4:8 is the interpretive center of the Bible:

    "From a Christian perspective, love is the first and last word in the biblical portrait of God. According to 1 John 4:8: “whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.” The statement God is love is as close as the Bible comes to giving us a definition of the divine reality" ("Biblical Support," inThe Openness of God: A Biblical Challenge to the Traditional Understanding of God , p. 18).

    2. Here's Dr. Boyd:

    “God is an eternal triune dance of love who eternally displays structure and freedom. His creation, which he invites to join his dance, manifests the same balance of structure and freedom. The now-debunked teaching that God has a detailed plan for the future of both individuals and society.”

    3. So, God and man are taking an adventure in love into the unknown future--not even God knows what that is going to look like.

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    So does that mean when prophesied events comes to pass, God was just a good guesser?
     
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    That has to be the logical and consistent conclusion.
     
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    It also means God is not all knowing.
     
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    And we've put God into a box, limited His choices to one. That one choice is to let the mechanis,m of the universe move ahead without any change to the original plan. We know God's ways. He MUST sit back and let things happen as He originally conceived. In a very real way, we've reduced the power of God and His sovereignty.
     
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    1. That is exactly what open theists are doing, putting God into their own theological, frail box.

    2. You are affirming that which you deny of those who disgree with you. You're saying that you know for a fact that the traditional understanding of God means that you know how the universe ought to run and it certainly must not run the way traditionalists have conceived of it, for in that conception it is a mechanical universe.

    3. Your sarcasm is quite evident. You show a lack of understanding of God and his universe with this sarcastic remark. Before the foundation of the world, before God created man, the Lamb of God was slain for sinners but only revealed in the space-time dimension (Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20).

    4. I thought that is what open theism is all about: God setting aside some of his sovereignty to explore the meaning of 1 John 4:8 with his creatures, yet remaining sovereign.
     

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