The Immorality of Tax-Payer Funded Abortion

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    By Dr. Ron Paul

    http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=152

    ....Forcing pro-life taxpayers to subsidize abortion is evil and tyrannical. I have introduced the Taxpayer's Freedom of Conscience Act (HR 1233) which forbids the use of any taxpayer funds for abortion, both here and overseas.

    The most basic function of government is to protect life. It is unconscionable that government would enable the taking of it. However this is to be expected when government oversteps its constitutional bounds instead of protecting rights. When government supercedes this very limited role, it cannot help but advance the moral agenda of whoever is in power at the time, at the expense of the rights of others.

    Free people should be left alone to follow their conscience and determine their own lifestyle as long as they do not interfere with other people doing the same. If morality is dictated by government, morality will change with every election. Even if you agree with the morality of the current politicians and think their ideas should be advanced, someday different people will inherit that power and use it for their own agendas. The wisdom of the constitution is that it keeps government out of these issues altogether....
     
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    A snowballs chance in h**l! The democrat party is the party of death, the unborn and the infirm.
     
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    I shall keep an eye on HR 1233.
     
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    Bro Curtis,
    That is an excellent article, and agree 100%. The only thing I would add is that who pays for abortion, (ie the taxpayer vs another instrument) is only the start. Stopping it is the ultimate goal regardless of who pays. I think sending the issue to the states would put a dent into it.

    One has to wonder how long the Lord is going to put up with it, as it has continued unabated under both parties for 36 years. Thank the Lord that there is the rare politician like Ron Paul left amongst a band of thieves. (both parties)
     
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    The above post is reminiscent of some by JustChristian. May I remind you that the Republican Party enacted a law banning Partial Birth Abortions. You should know enough about how congress works to realize the difficulty in geting any legislation passed, much legislation that will get through the Supreme court. Until the Republicans took control of the House in 1994 no anti abortion legislation had been introduced in the democrat house. The Republicans passed the ban on Partial Birth Abortions twice while Clinton was in office to have it vetoed twice. Bush signed the law. Now with democrats in control nothing will happen.
     
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    Forcing me to pay for killing Iraqis is also immoral. Bottom line is, if we don't like govt decisions we can vote them out.
     
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    That's a completely different issue. The constitution does allow congress to declare war, to protect our interests. None of the wars we are involved in now fit into this category, thanx to the bi-partisan decision to allow Bush, (as well as Kennedy, Johnson, Reagan & Clinton) to ignore it is the issue there. We did vote them out, I hear, yet we remain, even expanding into Pakistan now, with plans for Darfur, & other regions. I would think you'd be just as outraged at these, if you were being truthful.

    Abortion funding is not the same thing.
     
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    To the person who started the topic:confused on your stance

    I believe you when you say you are a Libertarian, but you did make this statement and anyone can google the democratic governors posisiton on a Womans right to choose or as others would interpret as pro-abortion. You seem to be proud of the research you do or opposition research, so why not research the position of the democratic governor of Montana if you are strongly against abortion??did you make a mistake or did not do proper research,or you are a pure Libertarian who believes in no government interference and let individuals decide themselves, perhaps back to the states. You personally probably are strongly against it within family and friends and would do all within your power as all would on this board. So why not have a little understanding on those whom you fight on this board and be less nasty.

    not to be preachy but here is a link

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Brian_Schweitzer.htm

    http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Brian_Schweitzer

    The Issues
    Schweitzer adheres to the Democratic Party line in supporting abortion rights and environmental regulation and opposing free-trade deals..(29)And he bucked the George W. Bush administration as much as any governor. When Bush pushed through the USA Patriot Act, expanding domestic spying powers, Schweitzer pardoned 78 Montanans who were arrested during World War I under a Patriot Act-forerunner, the national sedition act, simply for criticizing the federal government.(30) He also requested that Bush bring Montana National Guardsmen home from Iraq so they could fight summer forest fires.(29)
    But Schweitzer is more conservative than his party’s rank-and-file on economic and social issues like gun control, the death penalty, lower taxes and balanced budgets.And he harbors an innate distrust of the federal government, pushing back against what he sees as an overly intrusive federal government.(29)

    I accept that you voted for him and he could very well be the best man, my point is you and others are so over the top on the abortion issue, yet you seem to get a pass from those who are quick to use it as a hammer.

    Why is that??
     
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    I don't believe I am that nasty, I also don't believe you have seen me single out anyone on the abortion issue. Both parties have done little to stop this.The Chuck Baldwin vote would have taken care of that. I am against tax-payer funded abortion, but I never called anyone a "baby-killer". I think Palin is a good role model for the pro-life position, but McCain was more of the same.

    As far as this....

    Already addressed abortion. As far as environmental issues, he had a plan to extract oil from shale, with the end result of making Montana energy independent. He is not an enviro-whacko, by any stretch. Also, I am against the "Patriot Act" and applaud him for the pardons. I agree with his NAFTA position. I agree that our Guardsmen should have been home fighting fires, instead of FEMA, although I was very impressed with how FEMA took care of us, our troops do not belong in Iraq, and our Guardsmen do not belong in any country, if their only purpose there is to keep a civil war from breaking out.

    Yup. All issues put together, my only regret is he can't run for a third term.
     
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    You have not been here and observed long enough to make a judgement about his stance on abortion. Would you please explain how someone can be "over the top" on the issue of abortion? You either think it is wrong or it is not.

    I know nothing about the governor of Montana, but one thing for sure, if Bush was going to fight a war in Iraq, he should have authorized the proper strength of active duty personnel to fight the war, and not used the National Guard and Reserves as his main fighting force. That is not their purpose.
     
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    Sure it is. The issue is using my tax dollars to fund something I disapprove of on moral grounds. I also am not opposed to all wars, but on Iraq, you bet I am.
     
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    I see. So you pick and choose which illegal wars you will support.
     
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    So according to you in another post whatever the government wanted to do was alright because it was the government deciding to do it. This position is quite inconsistent. Which amendment did you quote?
     
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    Please stay on topic. If you want to discuss the Iraq war on moral grounds, start another thread. You will find it full of responses in no time, including mine.
     
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    I am not trying to discuss the Iraq war. I am making a point germaine to the fact that it is not just opposition to abortion that resents having tax dollars appropriated. I have no desire to get into yet another discussion about the war.
     
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    In never said anything about legality of any war. You are off on yet another tangent.
     
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    You should start the thread L.E. asked you to, so we coule discuss it, in ernest. If you really don't want to talk about the war, you shouldn't bring it up.
     
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    It's called deflecting the argument away from the real issue at hand. Folks are really good at that. Comparing the killing of US citizens within our borders to a war in a foreign land is just shameful.
     
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    I do not see this as being off topic. He used this as an example of a view he sees as similar. It was simply a comparison not intended to drive the discussion off topic. You may not agree it was a legitimate comparison but that does not lend to being off topic. I see his intent as I have stated.
     
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    Glad at least you got it Mitch. That is exactly correct. :thumbsup:
     

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