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Better refutation of your <basis>, <principle>, <application> <argument> whatever, than your own, isn't possible.

Forget 'meaning' in any SUPPOSED <arbitrary> act in YOUR imagination of GOD'S!

And I told you, using the word which per se simply means ‘rest-day’, is another matter than the same word circumscribed in a whole CONTEXT all its own OF LAW.

You obviously have no idea or understanding or knowledge about the BASIC principle of text interpretation or exegesis of CONTEXT.

 

I said it before; I still say it, that Biblicist is our beloved Doctor Walter of old ...

 

Whahuh? Biblicist is Dr Walter of former days?

 

"In the seventh year the year shall be a rest-year ..." : from no 'Commandment' but from nature -- derived from nature's "years" : "BESIDE / APART FROM / IN DISTINCTION TO, MY, Sabbaths..." Leviticus 23:3 and 38 : "the day (in the Hebrew) The Seventh Day Rest-DAY // Sabbath of the LORD GOD."

That is how it stands, WRITTEN -- your wisdom 'besides', old chap!

Get the meaning of the word "besides" in Leviticus 23:38?
That now is 'BESIDES' the hundred and one other distinctions found throughout the whole Bible.

You get the distinction between 'the rest-day" of the passover and "the day The Seventh Day-REST-DAY // The Seventh Day-SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD"?

You say, no?

Well I say, we don't believe you!

 

Why, would you say, under the name of 'Biblicist', it's "pattern of days", when under the name of Dr Walter it was "set of days" except for the 'Biblicist' not to be recognised for 'Dr Walter'?

... that is just one link in the DNA ribbon.

 

You gave the answer - you could not click on the link for some reason and you failed to find even one other document by that name other than version 1 and version 2 that I pointed you to.

Did you try going here - http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/kerkham/1689.htm and then clicking on section 19:

Where we just "not supposed to notice" that you are having problems in that regard??

(It does not get any easier than this)

in Christ,

Bob

 

Yes, in Leviticus where "MY Sabbaths" are compared with sundry other 'sabbaths', it is the Plural, obviously. As I quoted it, "... from no 'Commandment' but from nature -- derived from nature's "years" : "BESIDE / APART FROM / IN DISTINCTION TO, MY, Sabbaths..." Leviticus 23:3 and 38".

"... : "the day (in the Hebrew a Seventh Day Rest-DAY // Sabbath of the LORD GOD" obviously no longer is my quote from Leviticus 23:3 and 38, but is my quote from i.a. the Fourth Commandment. You should have been able to notice that.

In any case, in the Hebrew the Plural or the Singular depends on the Context because its the same word, 'shabbath' whether Singular or Plural.

Therefore "My Sabbaths" in Leviticus 23:3 and 38 are the equivalent of “My Sabbaths” in Exodus 31:13, “VERILY MY Sabbaths”—the real ONE, the Fourth Commandment “Sabbath”, singular AND plural as in Exodus 20:10, “the day (Singular) The Sabbath=Sabbaths=every and all and ONLY “day: The Seventh Day Sabbath=Sabbaths, OF THE LORD GOD” … which is or are “SIGN”— a single, particular, “day-sign”, the “sign” of “the day The Seventh Day Sabbath=Sabbaths OF THE LORD GOD.”

All through Leviticus the difference and contrast between God’s (Personal) “Sabbath=Sabbaths” and “the sabbath of the land” or “her” – Israel’s “sabbaths-in-particular” – are obvious and easily noticed.

Biblicist, don’t be ridiculous again!

 

A few irrefutable facts.

1. The "Baptist Confession of Faith" admits that the Sabbath was given to mankind in Gen 2:3 and still applies to the saints today. (Biblicist at times appear to agree with them on that).

2. There is no text in all of scripture saying "week day 1 is the Lord's Day".

3. There is no text in all of scripture saying "Week day 1 is the new 7th day of the fourth commandment".

4. There is no text in all of scripture saying that "week day 1" is the new weekly Sabbath.

5. When Biblicist looks for a source that WILL say these things - he finds it only in extra-biblical sources writing AFTER the first century.

Beyond all doubt.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Originally Posted by BobRyan
2. There is no text in all of scripture saying "week day 1 is the Lord's Day".

Wrong again except for your confession that "There is no text that says that verbatim "

Mark 16:9 does not say "the first day of the week is the new Sabbath day"

So - you quote "you" instead of the actual text.

Interesting that you admit you have not text saying "week day 1 is the Lord's Day"

Then as if to "solve" that problem you have - you go to Mark 16:9 and then add another example of you quoting "you" by saying that from Mark 16:9 we get "the first day of the week is the new Sabbath day"

Which we ALL know is not to be found there either.

How in the world is that supposed to work for you?? ever?

You conclude with

As if that hollow accusation provides the substance your argument is lacking from an actual text of scripture.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??

in Christ,

Bob

 

Shame ... please say more

 

Here we have more Biblicist --


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5. The "week" is a by product of the seven Creation days and our division into weeks must be derived from these seven days at the beginning BECAUSE neither the lunar or solar year is divisble by seven and so the only explanation for divisions into "weeks" is the creation seven days.

6. There had to be a practical weekly application of the Sabbath that was consistent prior to the cross and all evidence points to the fact that at least among the Jews the weekly sabbath was their seventh day "of the week" or Saturday.

7. God changed the weekly day of Sabbath keeping from the Jewish seventh day "of the week" to the Christian resurrection day or "first day of the week" (Psa. 118:24/Acts 4:10-11/Heb. 4:9-10; Rev. 1:10; Acts 2:1; 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2; John 20)

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7. It is not wrong for the Sabbath to be applied to the seventh day "of the week" but it is wrong to demand it is restricted to such as that restriction has no Biblical basis and contradicts God's own use and application of the Sabbath Law.

[FONT=&quot]8. It is now wrong to apply it to the seventh day "of the week" as it has been applied by God to the first day "of the week" first by type in the Messianic feasts of Lev. 23 and Lev. 25 and by Messianic prophecy (Psa. 118:20-24 with Acts 4:10-11; Mk. 16:9; heb. 4:2-11) and by Messianic example (Jn. 20; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2; Rev. 1:10) and by historic custom consistenly after the aposolic age right up to BEFORE Constantine.
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In regard to a consistent weekly application I believe Bob is right at least from the giving of the ten commandments to the Jews to the resurrection of Christ.[/FONT]
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The NT Apsotles of Lord Jesus quoted/referred to 9 Commandments morally in effect for NT saints, where did ANY of them say Sabbath of Isreal still binding upon Church though?

 

hint - there is NO QJOTE of the text of the 3rd commandment - not to take God's name in vain.

But the text of the 4th commandment IS quoted from several times in the NT - including Heb 4, and Rev 14:7.

The 4th commandment is Explicitly affirmed by the Baptist Confession of Faith as still applicable to the saints today..

So also do Andy Stanley, D.L. Moody, R.C. Sproul, C.H. Spurgeon specifically admit that the 4th commandment is still applicable to Christians today.

They get this simple Bible truth.

others could grasp it as well if they chose to.

in Christ,

Bob