The KJV’s respect for God’s Words

Hello robycop3

You first said..........

Of course; this is not in dispute.

But what’s important is, they did it “hundreds of year ago”, and not under public pressure.

And.....the final product, has been under the most intense scrutiny that any document has every experienced, for hundreds of years......and yet God’s people still trusted it.
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Next you said.......

I will overlook how you are calling me stupid, and still respond.

Here we have Satan: Trying to convince Eve to disobey God: But Eve knows what God has said.
So Satan, “questions God’s Word”, and says........"Yea, hath God said...?"

Some might call me stupid, for using this example of Satan’s methodology:
But He is still using the same tactics today........
“This verse isn’t found in the best Greek manuscripts”.

I.e. Did God really intend for this verse to be in the Bible????

What is really stupid, is for people to fall for the same trick, over and over again.
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Next you said........

Well, you are wrong: The “love” of money, “is” the “root” of “all” evil!

Understanding this statement, is kind of like explaining why gambling is a sin, even though you will not find one verse in the entire Bible that says so.

Gambling is a sin, because it is the “worship of money or gain”.
Just as “the love of money”, is the “worship of money or gain”.

Money is not the issue: (Everyone needs money)
The issue is our heart, and who we are worshiping.

The terrible act at Columbine, had nothing to do with guns, or video games or bullies:
It had to do with the god that those two young men were worshiping.

No, they didn’t commit this crime to get money.
But I can grantee you, that “they loved money”.

Just as every wicked person that commits a wicked act, “loves money”!
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Lastly you said..........

I put this statement in the same category, of all the other mis-information that can be found on the internet, about the KJV.

There are those who, prefer the NASB, but there are those who HATE THE KJV.
This hatred of the KJV is totally irrational.

 

Hello Trotter

You said........

Please elaborate.
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Next you said........

Another cryptic statement, but I think you are saying that you believe, that even by 1769, God had not yet provided us with an accurate English Bible.

And if that is the case, than you have succumb to the story that has been being spun, for about the last 120 years or so:
(That somehow God allowed his Word to get lost, and we need those wise scholars, to find if for us again
-And they are still looking.-

All that I have been saying in this thread, is that I believe that the English Bible is complete and accurate, and has been for the last 400 years or so.
(And if it’s not broken, it doesn’t need to be fixed.)
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Next you said.....

There is no need to be sarcastic.

And no, you are not forced to read those Bibles. The KJV is available everywhere.

No, I do not believe that the KJV translators got any words from God;
(And I have always spoken against double inspiration, and you know that.)
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But next you get more to the point.......

Please, what are these “later evidences” you are talking about?
(And can they be trusted?)

I mean if tomorrow, the announcement was made, “Ancient manuscript found, that proves the Bible to be a lie”.
(Would you, check it out, to see if it was a valid charge?)

If you did, I would feel sorry for you.

The Bible, is just something that should not be questioned!
(IT’S THE BIBLE!)
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Now, your next statement, lets me know where you are coming from........

You are looking for anything, that will allow you to question God’s Word.
(And so you have found plenty!)

What do you think about people like..........
John Bunyan, John Calvin, Theodore Beza, John Wycliffe, William Whittingham, Christopher Goodman, William Tyndale, Anthony Gilby, Thomas Sampson, William Cole, Mathew Parker, Miles Coverdale, etc.

These were all great Christians from the past:
(And even though I reject Calvinism, I included his name)

All of these men studied the KJV(or one of the Bibles that made it up), and they believed that the Bible that they were studying was God’s complete Word.

Now are you saying that they were a bunch of morons?

 

Good evening Trotter
And thank you for your informative and civil response.

You said......

Yes it can. Because with all it’s editing and revamping, it remains intact.
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Continuing you said......

Yes, yes yes. I do have convictions and I am dogmatic, when it comes to God’s Word.
(I think every Christian should be.)

But this doesn’t mean that I don’t use my mind.

One definition of “reasoning”, is: (The power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgements logically.)

I do this with God’s Word; From the standpoint that God in infinite and I am finite.
And although God does expect us to use our minds, to solve life’s problems, He never wants us to question His Word.

And as I have said; I believe that His Word has already been delivered to us.
And any additional research or discovery concerning His Word, is just not needed.
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Next you said......

Not exactly.
Yes, all my complaints, are with English translations that are not the KJV;
(But this is not because it simply happened to have been written before them

I see the KJV, as “God Word in the English language”.
I see it as something that had been established, long long ago.

Therefore, we already had God’s Word, before Wescott & Hort.
So what was their motivation, other than to cast doubt upon what was already accepted as God’s inspired Word.
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Now for your 2nd paragraph......

Yes I do:

Yes, the men who translated the KJV were fallen, but God’s Word is perfect.
(And I think that we can trust God, to enable the honest labors of fallen Christians, to accurately translate His Word.)
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Also you said.....

No, I don’t.....because:
The Biblical term we keep using: “waxing worse and worse": Tells us, that the earlier “honest labors” of Godly men, will be better than the later “honest labors” of Godly men.

With this said I prefer not to trust even the honest labors, of Godly men today;
In the area of changing the Bible in any way.
i.e. If an updated version of the KJV were announce, that promised that only the old words were replaced with updated words; I would most likely reject it, because of tremendous influence, modern textual criticism, has had on everyone in academia.

But not all the work done in this field, has been honest:
There is a lot of historical evidence, seriously questioning the integrity of Wescott & Hort: And as far as I can tell, all the changes made in the modern versions, are a result of their work.

As for this word “perfect”: As you have seen I have used it sparingly, if at all:
(The word perfect, seems to bring to mind a “facsimile”
And although I do trust the KJV, to be God Word, it is not a facsimile.

The word that I prefer is “infallible” (incapable of error):
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Your next paragraph......

It’s not that I don’t accept the research done regarding biblical manuscripts; I just see this research, as a big waste of time.
(Unless of course, your intent is to cast doubt upon God’s Word.)

But you do bring up a very interesting point: “Those extra words had to come from somewhere”

What extra words:
As far as I can tell, all the Modern Versions, only remove words & verses & passages:
(Could you please inform me of any words, they have added.)
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You continue.....

No; It didn’t have to be inspired again, in order to be “an accurate translation of God’s Word”:
All that was required: Was honest labors of Godly Christian men, and accurate copies of the autographs, to translate from.
(And this is the main difference between the KJV and the MV’s.)
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Here is another interesting statement you make.......

What exactly are you referring to, that (no longer exist), that was used to translate the KJV?

And as for all the fragments of manuscripts, that have been found:
As I have said, we already have God’s Word, so what’s the big deal.
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Please forgive me, but I was flabergasted by your next statement.....

This was said in response to my pretend news flash......
“Ancient manuscript found, that proves the Bible to be a lie”

And you said........

As I stated, I flatly ignore such announcements, and classify them as open attacks upon God’s Word, intended to cast doubt in people’s minds about the Bible.

Our faith in God and His Word, needs to be such that such claims, don’t even have to be investigated.
(Not because we should be afraid of anything
But because of the absurdity of such claims.
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Your next paragraph.........

I agree: A lot of dogmatism, is “man made”.

But there is a clear reason why we should be dogmatic about God’s Word.......
Jeremiah 17:9-10
V.9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and dsperately wicked: who can know it?
V.10 I the LORD search the heart, try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.

God’s Word, is the only thing that can be trusted in this world.
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Next........

This is also interesting.
Why should you doubt that “the sole repository for it in the English language”?

Should Christians in the past, have doubted that the Bible was complete?

Should Christians today, be doubting that we have God’s completed Word?

As what point in time, should we expect the LORD to fulfil His promise, to preserve His Word?

And once again, all I see the MV’s doing, is removing words, verses & passages.


To be continued............

 

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Finally your last paragraph...........

Why were they limited?

Was God hiding something from them?

Is God’s motivation, somehow to not reveal all of His Word to us or to them?
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Also......

You know, it may have had an impact upon them.
(But information is irrelevant, from God’s point of view.)

From my investigation, I have learned that when the translators started their work on the KJV, some unforseen circumstances prevented the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus,
from arriving at their location, therefore preventing these translators, from being influenced by them.
(Praise the LORD!)

I see these unforseen circumstances, as God’s providence.
(He saw to it, that only accurate copies, were considered.)




Good night.

 

Hello Rippon

I have been expecting you to come “ripping” in here.

You said......

Precisely; This is the problem with biblical orthodoxy.

2000 years ago, the Pharisees and Sadducees, were the gold standard of biblical orthodoxy.

 

Hi C4K

You said......

Of course you haven’t, because this is 2010.

The context of my statement in this thread, was that if someone was found to have his belief’s back in the 1600's & 1700's: That person would have been called a heretic.

This was to demonstrate how standards, are constantly changing.