In several threads as of late, there has been quite a difference of opinion about the term "carnal Christian." We know that as saved, born again Christians, we are a new creature in Christ. Yet we know that the old sin nature remains while here on earth. So, and we all realize we cannot see anyone else's heart, how would one determine if a person is a new creature in Christ if they are sinning for a season? My own opinion is that yes we do sin, but as a child of God, and the Holy Spirit in us, we return to a walk with the Lord in short order. I believe that those in perpetual sin with no discernable difference before salvation were never saved. Yet, at the same time, I do not believe in a sinless existence after salvation. I would appreciate all comments, and have an open mind to different aspects of this. Hopefully, we can keep out Calvinism and Ariminianism from the thread. I think about passing a bar as a drunk staggers out. How do we know what his eternal state is? Also, how do we know the state of the person we only see on Sundays that appears to lead a Christ like life?