The LORD'S PRAYER [of Open Theism]

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  1. ~JM~

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    The LORD'S PRAYER of Open Theism

    Our Father Who is in heaven,
    Shallow be Your name.
    Your kingdom might come,
    Your will could be done,
    Perhaps on earth as it sometimes is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread,
    Surprise, we all wanted cake instead.
    And forgive us our debts without expiation,
    Just as we also forgive your gambling and speculation.
    And try not to lead us into temptation,
    But deliver us from evil as was your supposition.
    For Yours might be the kingdom and some power and most of the glory,
    For today, since You know not what tomorrow will be.

    Amen
     
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    Man, I hate it when people do this to Calvinists so I gotta say, this is just not very helpful. If you want to post actual words of some Open Theist in context and then respond, great, maybe that would be of some use. Making up strawmen is not.
     
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    I don't see how we could argue about Open Theism. If you're an Open Theist you stand outside Biblical theology and the historical Church with Arminian, Calvinist and yes, even Roman Catholics in full agreement: Open Theism is heretical.

    I apologized for starting a thread that lead to an Arminian vs. Calvinism debate, Open Theism is a pale form of Christianity at best.

    :1_grouphug:
     
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    So what's the point of this thread?
     
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    I agree here. Pale as in decaying corpse kinda of pale. But then again there is maybe one possible Open Theist on this board and I don't think that person ever really knows that much of what they say corresponds to that theology
     
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    I am not an open theist but I do struggle with God changing his mind. I would be interested in your interpretation of 2 Kings 20 especially verses one and six.
     
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    This shows just how a low opinion and total lack of reverence towards God that some in the church have come to. This is simply WRONG!
     
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    Why did you apologise JM? :)

    john.
     
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    I don't know a single open theist who thinks that God is "shallow." Besides being completely inept at exposing the alleged faults of open theism, this "prayer" is blasphemous.
     
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    Why struggle dear brother?

    God is absolutely sovereign, He is omni-EVERYTHING yet He changes His mind (or so it appears).
    Accept it. It's scriptural.

    Why wrestle with the angel?

    Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.​

    By and by, we'll know all about it.​

    HankD​
     
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    If 2 Kings 20 refers to a real change [as the Open Theist contends] in the eternal mind of God, then we have a problem, the Bible then contradicts itself.

    Joh 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

    1Jo 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

    We know that God in fact knows all, so what is meant in this passage?

    1Sa 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

    We also know that “repent” cannot mean what the Open Theist believes it to mean, when the Bible talks about God “changing His mind” or repenting it cannot be as a man repents as 1 Sam. states so clearly. To get a better understanding of this passage we need to look at 2 Chronicles 32:24-26 and Isaiah 38:1-22.

    Peace,

    jm
     
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    Well, once again I've learned a new term. Open Theism.
    Could someone explain to me what that is?
    :)

    How have I gotten by all these years with just reading the Bible?:confused: :laugh:
     
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    Certainly I do not know enough about God and the culture in that day well enough to be able to explain the seemingly contradiction. I do believe that God responds to people and meets their need when they meet His condition.

    The way I see the whole thing is much like God who gives us our skin color, the parents we had, etc. and that is His choice. But in His choice he gave us a domain in which to freely choose.

    I think of it much like a cow in the pasture. The farmer owns the cow and chooses the field where she will eat but she is free to eat where she likes within the confines of the fence.
     
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    Thanks, Johnp:)
     
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    God bless.
     

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