The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas

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  1. ephraim

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    The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas


    What is the Mark of the Beast? If it were to happen today could you identify it? If you could identify it what good would it do? Would the knowledge of the Mark make a believer out of an atheist? I think it all comes down to faith. Some people are supposed to see while others are not, no matter what proof is given. So what is the main purpose for studying prophecy and looking for the Mark of the Beast? I believe that purpose is to show who God really is and expose a false religion. Islam is that false religion. It has drawn one third of the world’s population to a false God and is ready to destroy the world in defense of it. There are other false religions in the world but none as violent as Islam. Islam is at war with all peoples; Jews, Christians, Hindus, Atheists, you name it, and even other Muslims.

    This letter was born out of a question by an astute reader. It was very thought provoking and led me to another answer I was looking for. Its timing couldn’t have been better. As it is with most knowledge, a question has to be asked before an answer can be found. So here is the question.

    Could you explain how the dipping of fingers into ink when voting is consistent with the mark of the beast? It seems to me that people are pressured into getting the mark of the beast in revelations because without it they can't get the necessities of life.

    This question is in regards to my belief that the Mark of the Beast was given to the Palestinian people during their Presidential Election on January 9, 2005. This Mark was applied to their right thumb and prevented an individual from double voting. It was supposed to last for about 48 hours. On the surface it would seem that a mark on the right hand with indelible ink is nothing more than its purpose, to prevent double voting. On the other hand, what if you just voted for the beast and were unaware of it. The mark of the beast can be three things: his mark, his number or his Name. Christianity likes to blend two of these ideas together and say that the Mark is the number 666 inscribed. This is just one example there are many others.

    Did this mark directly cause the people to be able to buy and sell? The words in Revelation 13:16 provide a good clue. He caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, or free and bond to receive this mark. Why would someone who is great, rich and free need to get any sort of mark in order to buy anything? A person in high esteem with lots of money (maybe a government official) needs no permission to buy anything, he does as he pleases. The opposite of that is what gets my attention more. If a man is small, poor and in jail why would he need to get a mark? If he is in jail he would have relatively no need for money as he would be getting his food and shelter from his jailors. The short answer is that the mark was given to all even those in jail who voted in the Palestinian Presidential Elections. This mark identifies the second beast and was only indirectly involved in their ability to buy and sell.

    The situation that caused a lack of funds in the PA government was due to the Election of Hamas as ruling party a year later. Since no western government was providing aid to the Palestinians it became apparent that the PA government would slide into anarchy and collapse. Therefore, a temporary mechanism was created by the international community to allow money to be given to essential PA institutions while bypassing the Hamas Government. All money going to these essential humanitarian institutions will be distributed through the office of the President, Mahmoud Abbas. Now, through the name of one man, the people are able to buy and sell namely because many will be receiving salaries. Now you have two items which identify the beast, a mark which was given when he was elected and his name which will allow funds to be given. There is only one other thing that can identify him and that is his number. That number is 666.

    Gematria is the most common way scholars use to find his identity. A system that applies a number value to letters to see if an individuals name will come to the sum of 666. One guess is as good as another in this system and many people’s names add up to 666. Any answer would just be a guess and provide relatively little proof to back it up, therefore I never devoted much time to this theory.

    In my search I was more concerned with how and why and when Mahmoud Abbas was going to bring about his peoples ability to buy and sell. That answer came with the election of Hamas. Hamas was the reason why the PA had a lack of funds. The international community, through a temporary mechanism sponsored by the Quartet, was how they were going to get the funds. The last thing is the most surprising. The Quartet (US, UN, EU and Russia) agreed on this international mechanism to fund the PA on June 16, 2006 on a Friday. This happened on the sixth day of the week in the sixth month on the sixteenth day in the year 2006. It seems the event I was looking for happened on a 666 day, one of only three in the whole year. I think most people were more concerned with June 6, 2006.

    Remember, the mark of the beast can be three things: his mark, his number or his Name. All three of these items point to the second beast. They describe him as an adjective does a noun. It is how they are interpreted that either blinds us or lets us see. Therefore, what I have done is link the number 666 to his name instead of the number to the mark. It was a coincidence that this find ever happened. I wasn’t looking in this direction when it found me. I was following the money.

    I would be remiss if I didn’t mention one more thing.
    I usually don’t make too many predictions and only write about events after the fact, but here goes. Since writing this letter and pondering the situation in Israel, I have thought of another possibility for the Mark. Any referendum held by the PA that advances policy allowing the international community to provide international aid to the PA would qualify. It would qualify as long as a Mark is applied to the hands or forehead and is given to all Palestinians just as mentioned in my remarks on Revelation 13:16.

    In summary, Jesus is Lord and he is coming soon.

    The Watchman of Ephraim Hosea 9:8

    For more information on this topic please read “Image of Mahmoud Abbas” and Ephraem.com
     
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    John says of 666 "it is the number of a man". In the times of the Roman empire - the first century - names in Latin - contained letters that doubled for numbers in that same system. (It would be like having numbers as letters as part of your name).

    "Context" demands that we use the same meaning that John's words had for his primary intended reader - his contemporaries.
     
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    Looking for 666 now reminds me of those searching the Bible for hidden codes. Everybody under the sun has been identified as 666. Here's a little numbers exercise for you:

    Give each letter in your full name a number, the same number where it appears in the alphabet. A=1, B=2, Z=26, etc.

    Going from left to right, add all the numbers in your full name. Add the numbers in the result until you come out with one single number, for example, 9. Now you know your number. Look up the meaning of your number, according to those writers who extract numbers from the Bible. Now you know who you are.

    Let's see........ what else could we do when we're bored?? :sleeping_2:

    (It's a joke, folks. Don't believe it!)
     
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    Just checking in to say hello and read my replies. Have a nice day. WOEphraim
     
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    There isa glaring problem with your theory my friend.
    Re 13:11
    ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
    Re 13:12
    And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    Re 13:13
    And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    Re 13:14
    And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
    Re 13:15
    And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
    Re 13:16
    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    Re 13:17
    And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    Re 13:18
    Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


    CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!

    This man does not fit Scripture no matter how hard you spin it.

    These events are global. They are not restricted to some back water non-entity such as the PA.
     
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    Agreed. They are global.
     
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    I kinda sorta disagree . . . most of the people in Revelation WANT the mark of the beast.

    That kinda should be expected to happen when the human race decides it needs to fight God to survive. IMHO.



     
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    Mortal head (nation) wound

    Whenever someone reads "The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas" the same questions always arise. I thought I
    would post my response to one of them.

    What is the beasts mortal head wound that is healed?

    Once it is understood that heads are nations this parable can be answered.

    In Revelation 17:9 it says that seven heads are seven mountains. This is a partial answer to Rev.13:1.
    It must be taken one step further in order to understand it. Mountains in scripture have been used to
    describe nations in various verses. So if you follow it to its conclusion, seven heads are seven mountains
    and seven mountains are seven nations.

    "And I saw one of his heads, as it were wounded to death:and his deadly wound was healed:and all the
    world wondered after the beast. Rev13:3

    The land that is being given back to the Palestinians is the head or nation which was wounded. It was
    completely occupied by Israel. Once the Oslo Accords were implemented it was given back to their control.
    Therefore the wound is healed. In other words, the nation that was taken in war is now being returned to
    the Palestinians and the beasts wound is being healed.

    The thing that needs to be understood is that sometimes parables are interpreted right after they are
    stated, while other times they are left for you to figure out.
    WOEphraim
     
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    You may want to brush up on all the scriptures that clearly show God giving the land in the Middle East to the Jews. The so-called "Palestinians" had nothing taken away from them, there was nothing to give back. The Israelis are not occupiers, the so-called "Palestians" are squatters. Obtain a map of the Middle East as it exists today, and compare that to a map of that region as laid out in writing in the Bible, defining the borders of what we normally refer to as Israel.

    Rude awakening?
     
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    This is simply too poor of a theological treatise. It bears no resemblance to reality. The application of the mark isn't until the Tribulation. We're not in the tribulation today. As long as I'm here, the tribulation will not be here, cause when it arrives I'll be long gone.
     
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    Not another thread on the mark of the beast! Good grief!
    :sleep: :sleep:
     
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    A man asked me recently how I arrived at the conclusion that Mahmoud
    Abbas was the 2nd Beast of Revelation 13. I summarized if for him in these
    few short paragraphs.

    This conclusion is based on the events that started with the handshake
    between Arafat and Rabin in 1993. It was a slow evolving process and is
    the false peace spoken of in the Bible. The questions that have to be
    answered concerning Revelation 13 are: why, who and how.

    Why do the people in question need the ability to buy and sell? Is it
    because they refuse to worship a man or is it because they don't have
    resources? It is much easier to see why people need when they have
    nothing, as opposed to those that have and are not allowed to spend.

    Who is going to provide this money to those in question? Mahmoud Abbas.
    Through the name of one man funds will be allocated to the people from a
    program instituted on June 16, 2006. His number is 666.

    How are those people going to get the money? Through a program called
    the Temporary international mechanism that bypassed the Hamas controlled
    Palestinian Authority. This program was completed and agreed to on
    June 16, 2006 on a Friday. It allowed funds to get to the PA only through
    Abbas.

    Lastly, when he was elected, all people voting either for or against him
    recieved a mark in their right hands with indelible ink. This mark was
    supposed to last for two days and prevent double voting. Three items point
    to the Beast of Revelation 13: his mark, his number and his name.
    WOEphraim
     
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    Ridiculous eisegesis.

    This one sounds better, but I doubt even this one.

    Syrian President, The Anti-christ.

    http://www.profoundprophecy.com/
     
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    Syria is one of the heads or nations of the first beast of Revelation 13.
    They are just waiting for the right moment. You are looking in the right
    area though, that is for sure... WOEphraim
     
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    Some questions that need Answers

    It is impossible to know what sequence of events will cause
    666 unless the following questions are answered.

    1. Which people are being discussed?
    2. Why is there a need for money, or what caused them to
    have a lack of funds?
    3. When the first two questions are answered then the most
    important can be asked. Who is the individual that will cause
    the people to receive those needed funds?
    4. Also, who are those being prevented from obtaining funds
    because they have not received the Mark?

    June 16, 2006 (666) was the date the Temporary International
    Mechanism was established which allowed the aid to reach
    Palestinians while bypassing the Hamas led Government. Ephraim
     
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    Why is Mahmoud Abbas the Beast of Revelation 13?

    Why is Mahmoud Abbas the Beast of Revelation 13?

    The most important issue that must be resolved in discovering the
    meaning of Revelation 13 is which people are being discussed.
    If the wrong people are associated with the prophecies of Revelation
    13 its answer can never be found. The people being referred to in
    Revelation 13 are the Palestinians. Once this is decided three questions
    have to be answered; why, how and who.

    Why do the Palestinian people lack the ability to buy and sell?
    Due to the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Government,
    Western Aid was discontinued.

    How will the Palestinian people receive funds in order to buy and sell?
    Through a program called the Temporary International Mechanism
    that bypasses the Hamas controlled Palestinian Authority. This program
    was established on Friday June 16, 2006. This date 6/16/06 represents
    the day that one man was allowed to administer a program that paid the
    salaries of his people. This is an amazing coincidence. There are only
    three days in ten years that end with three sixes; June 6, June 16, and
    June 26.

    Who will provide these salaries to the Palestinians?
    Salaries will be paid through the office of Mahmoud Abbas.

    Also, what group will be prevented from getting money because they did
    not receive the mark?

    Hamas boycotted the Election of Mahmoud Abbas in January 2005;
    therefore they did not receive the indelible ink mark to their right hands.
    All salaries are being given to Fatah, the party of Mahmoud Abbas.
    Hamas will not honor the image of Mahmoud Abbas. The image of
    Mahmoud Abbas is required by the international community to continue
    peace talks with Israel. This image is three items that represent Abbas
    and his Government; the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements
    with Israel, the renunciation of terror as a means to an end, and a two-
    state solution based on the 1967 borders prior to the six-day war.


    Three items point to the Beast of Revelation 13: his mark, his number
    and his name. WOEphraim
     
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    I sommer copied from another post,
    "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
    Re 13:12
    And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    Re 13:13
    And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    Re 13:14
    And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
    Re 13:15
    And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
    Re 13:16
    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

    GE Now, from my background - I must say - the most obvious prince to the title of the beast and his number, is modern pentecostalism. I'm going to be stoned, I know - but there is it .... come what may.
     
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    Truly Muslims are anti-Christians and their leaders may have such aspects, and Hamas in Hebrew means Violence ( at the time of Noah too).

    However, I have no doubt that the Anti-Christ is the Pope of Roman Catholics which will be extended to be the World Religion incorporating Orthodox, Anglican, Some Protestants, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism, and the Beast may be cooperating with the Anti-Christ acting as the World President or World Chancellor of Reinforced and Integrated United Nations.

    Many people expected Pope of Rome will come as the Anti-Christ as Dante, Luther, Wesley, Spurgeon, and the Baptist Confession did.
     
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    An intelligent question an answer

    An intelligent question and answer

    Question:
    The beast of Revelation 13 is associated with various items by which
    he can be identified. One of these is:

    " And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies,
    and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months".

    How did Mahmoud Abbas fulfill this prophecy? How would you fit the 42
    months time period, as used by John, in the life of Mahmoud Abbas?

    Answer:
    Mahmoud Abbas does not fulfill this 42 month prophecy, Yasser Arafat does.
    The first beast of Revelation and the little horn was Yasser Arafat. The 42
    months were fulfilled in the first three and a half years of the Oslo
    Accords. This happened between 1993 and 1997. Negotiations were going
    well and both sides were making progress during this time. Arafat's leadership
    seemed to be providing results as Israel continued to transfer
    land and security control back to the Palestinians. In the second half of the
    seven years that ended in Sept. 2000, the good will began to break down
    and terrorism stifled the whole process. The second intifada started, shortly
    after the failure at Camp David, and not much has happened every since.

    Naturally, when Yasser Arafat died in November of 2004, he had to be
    replaced. Mahmoud Abbas became that replacement. He stepped into the
    position of the first beast simply by being elected Palestinian President.
    The second beast of Revelation entered the picture when Hamas won the
    the elections of Jan. 2006. When Hamas won the election, the Government
    of the Palestinian Authority became the two-horned second beast. These
    two horns represent two kings within the same Palestinian Authority that do
    not agree on the image of Mahmoud Abbas.
    This image of Mahmoud Abbas and his Government are three issues that
    represent the old Palestinian Authority. These must be implemented to allow
    a peace process to continue with Israel. Hamas must recognize Israel,
    abide by old agreements and renounce terrorism. This is the image of Abbas;
    the second beast of Revelation. If these ideas are not followed, honored or
    worshipped; those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

    I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King
    James Bible translators. It also means to honor.

    Now combined with the first post, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Abbas is
    that second beast and he has fulfilled the prophecy of 666 as I have described.
    Thanks for your question, anonymous.

    WOEphraim
     
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    The Beast of Revelation 13 is Mahmoud Abbas


    The most important issue that must be resolved in discovering the meaning of
    Revelation 13 is which people are being discussed. If the wrong people are
    associated with the prophecies of Revelation 13 its answer can never be found.
    The people being referred to in Revelation 13 are the Palestinians. Once this is
    decided three questions have to be answered; why, how and who.

    Why do the Palestinian people lack the ability to buy and sell?
    Due to the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Government, Western Aid was
    discontinued.

    How will the Palestinian people receive funds in order to buy and sell?
    Through a program called the Temporary International Mechanism that bypasses
    the Hamas controlled Palestinian Authority. This program was established on
    Friday June 16, 2006. This date 6/16/06 represents the day that one man was
    allowed to administer a program that paid the salaries of his people. This is an
    amazing coincidence. There are only three days in ten years that end with three
    sixes; June 6, June 16, and June 26.

    Who will provide these salaries to the Palestinians?
    Western Aid was resumed through the office of Mahmoud Abbas due to the
    Temporary International Mechanism.

    Also, what group will be prevented from getting money because they did not
    receive the mark? Hamas.

    The mark of Mahmoud Abbas was issued in the Palestinian Presidential Election
    of January 2005. To prevent double voting an indelible ink mark was applied to the
    right hand of all voters. Since Hamas boycotted these elections their members
    never received the mark. Revelation 13:16 states that he caused all, small and
    great, rich and poor, and free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand or in
    their foreheads. Simply by being a candidate, Mahmoud Abbas caused his
    people to receive the mark. Anyone who voted, either for him, or against him, were
    there because of him.
    Hamas will not honor the image of Mahmoud Abbas, therefore all salaries are
    being given to Fatah, the party of Mahmoud Abbas. The image is what the
    Palestinian Authority under Mahmoud Abbas represents.
    This image of Abbas is required by the international community to continue peace
    talks with Israel. This image is three items. These are the renunciation of terror,
    the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and the recognition of Israel,
    which can also be expressed as the acceptance of the two-state solution based
    on the 1967 borders. If these ideas are not followed, honored or worshipped;
    those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

    I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King James
    Bible translators. It also means to honor.

    So here is the sum of the matter. Mahmoud Abbas, in his name, was allowed to
    pay his people through a program created on a date that ended in three sixes.
    He was elected to his people by popular vote and caused his people to take a
    mark. This mark was given to everyone, even those in Israeli jails, who voted.
    Christians were always taught these basic principles, except I have linked the
    number 666 with his name, while prior teaching had the mark as 666 engraved.

    Lastly, why is it important these facts be stated?
    It is important because prophecy written centuries ago, fulfilled in the present,
    can have only one meaning. The author of that prophecy has to be God.
    Also, it distinguishes between a true and a false religion. These are the two most
    important issues in this writing. May your faith be stronger. The blessings of God to all
    who understand. W.O.E.
     

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