The Old Time Way

sorry changed my mind

 

That is fantastic! What an accomplishment! :thumbs: :thumbs:

 

Nothing wrong with the old time way... as long as it is what the bible says. If the bible is silent you can't make your own rules.

That does not grant us a license to do as we please, mind you. But it does mean that there is a difference between legalism and biblical.

I don't drink, but the bible does not say you can't. If heeds against being a drunkard, but does not say you cannot drink.

Nor does the bible say you can't play a game of cards. While my wife and I are very competitive at Rook, we don't gamble when we play it. Same with the other 20 or so card games we have.

Where does the bible say you can't go to the movies? My wife doesn't go for her own reasons, but I do on occasion... I just haven't found anything in the Good Book that speaks against it.

Same goes for dancing. David danced, as did those who served in the temple. Dancing was done at Jewish weddings. I can see avoiding the "bump and grind" some call dancing, but not the other 95%.

Why must it just be the old hymns? The bible does not mention them, as they weren't "old" back then... they were so new wave that they hadn't be thought of! What is being called old still has wet ink in view of the age of the bible. What difference is there in a few years between the penning of the old and today's new... especially in view of the bible itself?

What I am getting at is this: the old way is just that... it was then. Today is still good, but not as legalistic. Some have fallen into the world's ways, but not all of us. We must adhere to what the bible actually says, not what some want it to say.

 

an excellent post, trotter

 

Bro. danthebaptist, I'm going to defend Saturneptune here. He is a fellow servant and deacon at our church, and liberal he ain't.

SN has a sweet spirit, but you touched a hot button with him (and a few others, I see) by labeling movies, cards, etc. as sin. I think I'm correct in saying that he (and I) are perfectly willing to support you in your desire for holy living, and even in your desire to avoid such worldly things as TV, movies and the like.

It is when you designate certain activities not specified in Scripture as tests of spirituality for everybody that several hot buttons begin buzzing.

To show you how extreme such things can get, in the late 1i920s, our church disfellowshiped a man for gambling because he invested in the stock

I guarantee you that we are fighting a losing battle. Except------it's not our battle. The battle belongs to the Lord, and we're read the back of the book.

 

Drinking coke out of a bottle is sin...
That was the "old ways" when my grandmother grew up.

If people are really serious about going back to the Old ways, we would be having mid eastern style worship, with Jewish music, and men in long dresses....

Anything other than that is new...

I thank God he placed me in the day an time he knew he could use me...
I also thank him I am not an old ways type guy.

I would hate to grow up where it was a sin for a black man to drink from a whiteman's fountain....

Or couldn't eat in the same restaurant...

Or churches in the south were controlled by people in the KKK

No thanks... I'll stay right here in 2008.
I wouldn't go back to the 50s if I had a time machine...

Christians were going to church to further their careers, and get job promotions, while at the same time using the "n" word to describe others.

No thanks, the christians in the 50s let down their guard...
And because of that, we have churches today closing doors.
They thought their way was the only way...

I am glad that ignorant culture is slowly fading away.
Maybe a new generation can restore what that generation lost.

No thanks, keep your old ways.. I am going where God goes, and he is not stuck in powerless rituals of the past.

 

Thanks for the kind words. I agree with Tiny Tim. The Lord is timeless, and there is nothing Holy about a certain period of history. My problem is when I read a hot button issue, I need to stop and think if the post was designed to create a response like I gave, and quit falling into the trap.

 

...how do you like them apples?!

Great post tiny. I agree.

 

DantheBaptist said, "Some times I feel like the prophet that "I only I am left" I wonder, am I banging my head against a wall, or are there any old time Baptists left out there?"

You know, you had me on your side until your later posts. While I don´t agree with everything you feel is a sin, I too wonder sometimes in which direction our churches are going.

My problems with your posts are these:

1) If you sometimes feel like the prophet you mentioned above, maybe you need to go back and read what God told him. He wasn´t the only one was he? I think maybe he was looking for a "twin" like you seem to be.

2) We all have our own weaknesses and are tempted by different things. Some things that I have outlawed in my own life are for just those reasons. If someone else does not have a problem with them then who am I to tell them they need to stop or stay away from that.

3) You seem to be a very self righteous person. To pass by a church and not stop because you judge it (by appearance only) as "too high" just doesn´t sit right with me. You have convinced yourself that it is okay to judge the rightreousness and hearts of others and what is worse, I see from your post that you are training your children to do the same. It is wonderful that you are teaching your children about sin and how to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth, but why are you teaching them to judge what is in the hearts of other Christians?


YES, there are some other OLD TIME BAPTISTS out there. Many of us have the some of the same convictions and beliefs about worship and music in the church that you do. Yes, some of us get very irritated by some of the ideas posted here that we think are rather liberal. The difference is, we believe there already is a Holy Spirit and he can do the job much better then we can. We choose to post our opposing views and opinions and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit not beat others over the head with them.

Like PinoyBaptist I was weighed, and judged, and found wanting in a very judgemental Baptist Church and left after being saved only six months. I thank God he didn´t leave me alone. Today I am serving him full time. I learned from that experience. I am an "old time," "old fashioned," fundamental Baptist because that is who I feel God wants me to be and how I can please him and serve him best. Who am I to say what is right for anyone else. Should a rose tell a daisy to change its appearance and color if they want to be a flower? There are many issues that I do beleive are set down in the Bible (doctrine) that we should never waver from and never back down from, but there are also many things that are not and on those, this Fundamental Baptist prefers not to fight about.

DantheBaptist, I hope you will stay with this board and help the rest of us "Old Time" Baptists as we try to clearly, and lovingly, post our beliefs and opinions.

 

Hi Dan and a belated welcome to the BB.

I read your list of complaints with interest. I wonder if you could give us Bible reasons to support your complaints.

One that caught my eye as an example. Can you give us a Bible principle to support the fact that hymnals are closer to God's way than projecting the words on a wall?

I doubt very many of our first century brothers and sisters were able to use old fashioned hymnals.

From you post you seem to think that you are the only one left alive today who has it right? Did I misread that?

 

Where is the author of this thread? Nothing since mid day yesterday.

 

He started another thread where, among other things, he said he was "lambasted by liberals" in this thread and also decried the "judgmental people" that posted in the same thread. Here's a linke to the new thread so you can see it for yourself.

 

Hi everyone,

I think almost everyone thinks the church they attend or the way they worship is the superior way or at least equal to any other way. As a member of the Old Regular Baptist, I often hear about the old time way. To a degree, I can appreciate it, but I also know that if the old timers from 100 years ago could come back and see the way we do things, they would call us liberals.

Times may change and people may change but God does not change. The old time preachers where I live used to get up early on Sunday morning and walk a couple of hours to get to church an hour before the service to light the coal burning stove to get the church warm. They would sing songs for an hour and preach for two hours. Not to mention there were others preachers that were there that would do the same. You would have to get to church early or you would have to stand outside and listen through the window. People brought their entire family to church. Kids would sit thru church service with the adults. The service would start around 9:00am and last until 2-3:00pm. Then after clean up, the preachers would take the two hour walk home. Oh by the way, they didn't get paid either. It was all for the Lord.

Now don't get me wrong, the only way to worship then is the only way to worship now and that is in Spirit and in Truth. No matter if we think we are doing it better than someone else, in Spirit and in Truth is the only way that is pleasing to God.

But before we go and slander the "Old timers", lets all ask ourselves this: If you had to walk 30 minutes to church, sit thru a 5 hour service, maybe have to stand the entire time and no Sunday school to watch your kids, how many would be at church every Sunday? What if it was raining or snowing? If your pastor had to work a 9-5 job all week and then do these same things, including getting the church ready and cleaning up afterwards and not getting paid, how many of your pastors would be there?

I for one am very glad that times have changed to allow us to get to church easier and quicker. Not to mention being able to turn the TV on and watch a variety of gospel shows and even being able to fellowship on the net. I am not picking at the way churches conduct their services, but sometimes it does appear that we have went from what I described to a service that makes sure you are home before kick off.

 

Bro Outsider,

That's about as well put as I guess any one could have stated it. Women didn't need children's church, a nursery(sp?), sunday school, for their kids. They were amongst the congregation with the adults. I am not belittling anyone who has these at their church(it's their right and privilege to serve the Lord the best way they know how), but they made it without these things. Men preached for two hrs(dad says he can remember them doing this, and he was born in 1943), and church didn't let out until 2:00 pm, at the earliest. Back then, there weren't TV's to go home to, there wasn't an air conditioned house to go home to, either. They just went to church to worship the Lord, Plain and simple. My home church will hold between 250-300 people easily, but only once can I remember it being almost full. Most of the time, it's about half-full, or less. I guess that since they have vehicles now, they would rather go shopping, hunting, fishing, visiting relatives, going to the beach...you get my point. I would have to say that the old time way was far better than it is now. May God bless us all!!

Willis

 

Since Pluto is no longer classified as a planet, ya got that wrong too! Besides, it's about someone's selected name, not planets, DanthePentecostal. Ooops, I got the denominations mixed up!

Study to show thyself approved unto God. Comparing ones self to a dinosaur kind of make the point! :laugh:

Now you're a prophet? What self-righteous arrogance!

 

Starting to look like a drive by.

 

Oh, now. I think that is a little unfair. I have been a member here for 8 years, and I don't live here. I don't think we should expect him to, either.

 

He may be on temporary leave.

 

Since he has started another thread in another forum earlier today, I feel for sure he had time to come back to this one.
It seems he's starting sure to be controversial threads.

 

Um, not the bashing against "missionary exploits." And actually, Pinoy is wrong. The churches being "enamored" of missionary exploits goes back to the book of Acts. :thumbs: And time fails me to mention the great missionaries of all of church history, like Ulfilas, Patrick of Ireland, the Nestorians, etc. etc. :type: