The One Percent:

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  1. poncho

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    Gigantic Government + Gigantic Corporations = Massive Wealth Inequality In America

    Read The Article.
     
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    Does it bother you to know that the people leading the movement are ex ACORN using funds raised for other purposes? This is a carefully contrived political move to get a certain person re-elected and nothing else (save perhaps a move that the CPUSA distinctly approves as a revolt of the people--one of their preferred methods!).
     
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    The CPUSA is an irrelevant shell of an organization, and has been for decades. But I since political conservatives tend to have an automatic knee-jerk reaction to protests by those on the left, it's completely understandable that one would prefer to raise fears about a non-existent red menace.
     
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    You make an accusation against a fellow poster by merely making a claim with no substantiation. How about backing up your claim that the "red menace" is non-existent and play nice.
     
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    I think you've got it backward. The proof must be to show that something exists, not that something does not exist.

    Example: If someone were to say that pink elephants don't exist, should they be burdened to prove it? Or would the burden of proof be on someone claiming they existed?
     
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    The term "non-existent" is hyperbole intended to communicate they are irrelevant.
     
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    Was listening to the radio on the way in to work this morning, and heard a comment about a ballplayer who is making "minimum wage" compared to his fellow athletes; in other words, he's only making $400,000 a year.

    Has anyone analyzed how many sports figures make up the "1%"?
     
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    Probably over 95% of pro athletes are in the top 1% of earners. But consider that pro athletes comprise less than .0003% of the general population.

    BTW, last time I researched it pro baseball players also get a stipend of $90 a day for meal money and daily expenses.
     
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    Did you know that many doctors are in the top 1%?
    Wonder if any "occuppiers" are at doctors offices?


    Now, I am not assuradley not in the top 10% let along the to p 1%
    I'm not even in the top 40%,

    But do not lump me in witht the so called "99%"!

    I have an ideal - why dont us taxpayers (not those who get back 100 and/or plus % of withholding back) start occuping in front of welfare offices? well at least on weekends - since we are responsible and actually go to work during the day.
     
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    Yes it does. It bothers me that so many people will let themselves be herded so easily.

    Movements are easily co opted. The limited government movement, remember that? Co opted by the neocons that started us on our never ending middle east adventure and now it's turning into our never ending African adventure.

    Like Ron Paul asked a few years back . . .

    "Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who's really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?"

    Imho, OWS is meant to keep fingers pointed in the wrong direction, away from those who are most responsible for creating the hugh problems we face today. (riddle) They just happen to be the same people who are offering all the solutions to the problems they helped to create in the first place. Who are they?

    #1 Corporations not only completely dominate the U.S. economy, they also completely dominate the global economy as well. A newly released University of Zurich study examined more than 43,000 major multinational corporations. The study discovered a vast web of interlocking ownerships that is controlled by a "core" of 1,318 giant corporations.

    But that "core" itself is controlled by a "super-entity" of 147 monolithic corporations that are very, very tightly knit. As a recent article in NewScientist noted, these 147 corporations control approximately 40 percent of all the wealth in the entire network....
    When the team further untangled the web of ownership, it found much of it tracked back to a "super-entity" of 147 even more tightly knit companies - all of their ownership was held by other members of the super-entity - that controlled 40 percent of the total wealth in the network. "In effect, less than 1 percent of the companies were able to control 40 percent of the entire network," says Glattfelder. Most were financial institutions. The top 20 included Barclays Bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co, and The Goldman Sachs Group.
    Unsurprisingly, the "super-entity" of 147 corporations is dominated by international banks and large financial institutions. For example, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Bank of America are all in the top 25. SOURCE
     
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    Interesting how such an irrelevant group is making so much headway with their agenda over the past 60 years or so. They are so relevant that they have gone mainstream in what is called the Democrat Party.

    Don't mistake "Red" Communism of a Stalinist variety for the true intent of Marxist socialism. That would be one of the errors that is leading America into trouble these days.
     
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    So, are we buying into the familiar liberal meme here, "rich Republicans?" When I look at how those in the top 1% vote, I soon realize that they are, for the most part, one and the same with the occupy forces. That is the irony of the issue -- that those in the occupy movement are being led by those with whom they actually side to accomplish a greater goal -- world domination.

    Marxist dialect at work. It is fine to take a step back to move 2 steps forward. :BangHead:
     
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    They're being led to make a false choice. Trade one collectivist system for another. But hey they haven't got anything on the righties. They're all being led to make the same false choice.

    But they'll never see it amongst themselves.
     
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    Does that include the right to cause damage - for example 19 grand in Portland, Why does the Occupy movt get special a free pass?

    Does not sound like something I want to be involved in.

    The Tea Party is doing it right. They are "occuping" the voting booth!

    In NY State the TEA (Taxed Enought Already) Party acquired 25,821 votes statewide. - Just over half of what they needed for permant party status - but quite a showing for a first time election.

    Overall in NY of 4,763,688 voters -, just over 10% who voted for Governer, DID NOT vote for the Rep or Dem ticket. in addition with the fusion ballot, over 16 % of the vote that the Republican candidae recieved were from the TEA Party and Conservative Party.

    Voters in NY are learning they do not have do vote for Dem or Rep.

    The strenght of Americian is in the voting booth.
     
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    So, I guess you've bought into the meme I mentioned above -- that all the uber-wealthy are conservatives.

    You really need to do some research on that issue and find out who and how all that money is held and what their actual political position entails.

    If what you are supposing is true, then one might imagine that New York (city and state) would be overwhelmingly conservative. Can't see that happening... They are some of the most liberal of all Americans!

    Gotta stop buying into the Party rhetoric before America is just like Europe.
     
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    Not something I care to be involved in either Salty. But I think you're wrong about the voting booth. They're too easily hacked.

    Sure you're still free to vote for whoever you want but what difference does it really make when all the candidates in the race are owned by the same banksters and corporitos?

    Except for one and he's not even electable . . . so says the corporate media that is itself owned by the banksters and corporitos. :BangHead:

    No there is no right to cause damage by either the protesters or the people charged with "protecting" them. Like the "authorities" who as I have documented endlessly on BB either let it happen or instigate it as a pretext to use force against those protesting. Let's not jump to conclusions until all the facts are in eh Salty?
     
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    Gl - excellent post - execpt that NY City is the liberal basin. Most of NY, outside of the City is basically more on the conservative side. The problem is that 1/2 of the States population is in NY City - thus with the liberal basins of Syracuse and Rochester - the Dems often win Statewide election. Curently, our State Senate only has a one vote Rep majority.
     
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    No, I'd guess that your guess is way off. First off I ain't no liberal and I lived in New York for the better part of fourty years. I know all about New York. Fagitabotit!

    Second I'm not a socialist or a social conservative shucks I'm not even a conservative. I gave up on that when I saw how easily conservativtism was co opted by the "crazies". Well, no I reckon it would be more accurate to say that the greater majority of conservatives who once believed in limited government and accountability got suckered by the "crazies". I didn't.

    If you know your poiltical history you'll know who I'm talking about if not then just google crazies, neoconservatism, neocons, or the "project for an new american century" you'll figure out who the "crazies" are.

    I couldn't care less about which party so and so hails from or if he's a liberal or conservative or what not thats all a trap. You sound like you're stuck in it. Let me help you out.

    It's the global banks and corportions that are robbing us blind and they couldn't care less if you are a liberal a conservative or whether you pray to Jesus or Allah or the golden calf.

    All they care about is being able to steal our money and get away with it without us finding out who's really stealing our money. They love it when we all argue about leftie's doing this or rightie's doing that. Keeps all the attention off them.

    Not only that it makes for some really boring reading.
     
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    People like Poncho love to complain that all politicians (including candidates) are all ruled by the one-world govt.

    Why don't those folks run for office - start on the local level,...
     
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    What makes you think we aren't?

    Honestly ole buddy you need to get out of New York more often.

    People like me just follow the evidence. The evidence says 147 corporations control pretty much the whole global ball of wax including the means (conglomerated corporate media) to keep people like my old friend Salty here thinking there is no one world government.

    Shall I post a page of quotes from "world leaders" who all say their is a one world government? There's alot of em! Naw. Just go on believing what the global corporations tell ya Salty.

    It makes for some fun reading, even if it is ten or fifteen years behind the curve.

    Hey, maybe that's what makes it comical.

    Ya know if ya stop straining at the gnats (leftie vs rightie) for awhile you might get a glimpse of the whole picture. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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