The Passion of Christ

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  1. Jailminister

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    Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
     
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    And?
     
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    I agree..they did cast lots for Jesus clothes. Next please?
     
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    While Jesus was forgiving them and us, They were playing games at the foot of the Cross. Think about it.
     
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    Probably with popcorn and cokes?
     
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    1. Who was Jesus forgiving?

    2. What was Jesus forgiving them for?
     
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    that's what you are hear for rbrent
     
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    Rbrent queried:
    1. Who was Jesus forgiving?

    All of them and us

    2. What was Jesus forgiving them for?

    Rebellion against God and not realizing what they had done. Many of us today are doing the same. We are just playing games at the foot of the Cross. Father God, Please forgive us.
     
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    Jailminister wrote:
    No way was Jesus forgiving anyone except the folks who crucified Him when He prayed "Father forgive them..." while hanging on the cross.

    He wasn't forgiving you and he wasn't forgiving me. It sounds kind of spiritual and sweet and maudlin to say that but its just not true.

    You only got forgiven when you repented and believed the gospel.

    You weren't forgiven 2000 years ago.

    Why this insane urge to divorce the actual facts of the crucifixion and what the scripture actually says about the crucifixion from your thoughts on this event?

    Jesus was the Jewish Messiah to the Jewish nation.

    The Jewish nation rejected him - we will not have this man to rule over us...we have no King but Caesar...Crucify Him, Crucify Him...

    The Jews crucified their Messiah - I Thess 2:14,15 - Paul wrote that under inspiration - He was NOT anti-Semitic - he merely spoke the truth.

    Still, Jesus loved the Jews and extended the offer of salvation to them again and again.

    Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    There is a gradual turning away in the book of Acts, from taking the gospel to the Jews as the Jews progressively reject the gospel.

    Acts 13:46

    Acts 18:6

    Acts 28:25-28

    In Romans 11, Israel is removed from the place of blessing and the Gentiles are grafted in...until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    When you refuse to believe what the scripture actually says about who was responsible for the crucifixion, you loose the ability to "rightly divide the word of truth."
     
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    rbrent, I am not about to get in a debate with you about this. I will tell you that when Jesus died he died for all of His. Jesus did not want this act to be held against any of His people. It was in God's purpose for Jesus to die for all of His children. He loved His children, then and now and wanted eternity to know that even though the roman soldiers(gentiles) were playing games at the foot of the Cross that He did lay that charge upon them(gentiles), not to the Jews, not to those of His who would follow.
     
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    Oh, yes I was! Praise God!

    Romans 8:[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    [30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
     
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    Jailminister & LadyEagle-

    This gets curioser and curioser - like Alice in Wonderland...

    Jailminister wrote:
    So are you now preaching “limited atonement” - that Jesus ONLY died for a small group called the “elect” (all of His) and that the rest are doomed to hell, salvation NOT having been provided for them?

    I notice you give no verses to back up your assertion.

    Here are the clear statements of scripture which refute your assertion:

    Matt 21:33-46

    v. 37 - “last of all he sent his son, saying, They will reverence my son...”

    v. 38 - “But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come let us kill him...”

    v. 39 - “And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him...”

    v. 42,43 - “Jesus saith unto them...I say unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you...”

    v. 45 - “And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.”

    Acts 2:22,23 - “Ye men of Israel”...Jesus of Nazareth...ye have taken, and by wicked hand have crucified and slain...”

    Acts 2:36 - “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

    I Thess 2:14,15 - “...the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets...”

    Well of course He does! - “For God so loved the world...” but that’s not what this discussion is about.

    You keep switching the discussion to “God loves His children” and we all acknowledge that.

    But the discussion is about you folks who keep rejecting the clear statements of scripture about the Jews of Jesus’ day being responsible before God, for their rejection of their Messiah,

    AND the Jewish Apostles Holding them responsible

    And telling them to their face that they (the Jews) were responsible,

    And the Holy Ghost convicting them and saving them when they were willing to confront their own responsibility for rejecting and crucifying their Messiah.

    LadyEagle wrote:
    IF you were forgiven 2000 years ago then you didn’t need to get saved.

    IF you were forgiven 2000 years ago, then did Paul lie when he said in Ephesians 2:12

    “ye were without Christ...having no hope, and without God in the world...”?

    If you were forgiven 2000 years ago, then you weren't "without hope" as Paul clearly states.

    You didn’t get saved in eternity past.

    You didn’t get forgiven in eternity past.

    You didn’t get the blood applied to your sins in eternity past.

    You got saved at the point in time when you received
    “the gift of God which is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” - Romans 6:23 [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Now come on folks - you're Bible Believing Baptists.

    So let's get back to believing what the Bible says and stop adding in your opinions which contradict what the Bible says.
     
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    Well, rbrent, I'll blow your mind even further when I state emphatically that not only were my sins forgiven 2000 years ago on that Cross of Calvary, my sins were forgiven before the creation of the world - (only speaking for myself here, not for anyone else) - Jesus going to the Cross of Calvary was not Plan B!

    God is not in time restraints. He is forever, both back in eternity and forward in eternity. Can I comprehend it in my frail human mind? No. But God knew me before I was ever born on December 18, 1949, and He chose me as one of His elect! Mind blowing, little old me...I'm one of God's elect! He picked me! Not that I deserve it, not that I ever will deserve it, but God chose me & I chose Jesus & He knew I would choose Jesus! Out of all the billions of people who have lived & died on this planet - me, I'm one of God's elect! PTL!

    And no, Paul didn't lie. You just pulled a verse out of context.

    I was forgiven in Eternity Past because of what Jesus would do. I didn't get saved until I accepted God's forgiveness through His Son, Jesus fulfilling the Plan.

    Two separate issues - Forgiveness & Salvation are two different issues.
    Issue One: God Forgave.
    Issue Two: I accepted His forgiveness.
     
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    PS, I don't understand all there is to know about predestination & election, either - God's ways are higher than my ways & His mind is higher than my mind. He knows the beginning from the end & it's His plan, so it's fine by me. Praise God!

    Point of correction here. The Jewish nation is comprised of the tribes of Judah, Levi and Benjamin who retained Jerusalem as their Capital, and called themselves The House of Judah. The rest of the tribes are called Ephraim. To be specific.
     
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    Funny, arguing about when we were forgiven. i don't care if it was half a second ago, or 20 billion years ago. I'm forgiven.

    But, I agree that we must stick to biblical accuracy, so the truth about this is extremely important.

    rbrent--you challenged me to dig deeper into the Word of God. Thanks. Don't know if yer rite, but you got me putting on my thinking cap again.

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