The Pope Says Don't Do THIS on Sundays

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  1. wopik

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    The Pope Says Don't Do THIS on Sundays ---

    No more watching movies or football games on Sundays. Pope John Paul II has decreed that Roman Catholics should reserve Sunday as a day for God only and not for secular diversions, such as entertainment and sports, reports Reuters.

    "When Sunday loses its fundamental meaning and becomes subordinate to a secular concept of 'weekend' dominated by such things as entertainment and sport, people stay locked within a horizon so narrow that they can no longer see the heavens," the pontiff said in a speech to 35 Australian bishops, who recently made a pilgrimage to the Vatican. The pope blasted what he called "the pernicious ideology of secularism."

    Condemning the "culture of the here and now," the Holy Father encouraged the leaders of the church to "lead men and women from the shadows of moral confusion and ambiguous thinking." Noting the secular culture is undermining family life, the pope encouraged Catholics to remain faithful to the Sunday Mass.

    "Sunday is the supreme day of faith, an indispensable day, the day of Christian hope. Any weakening in the Sunday observance of Holy Mass weakens Christian discipleship." - PJP2

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/package.jsp?name=fte/nosundaysports/nosundaysports
     
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    So what! We have only one "Holy Father" which is in heaven. The pope can hardly lead born again Christians when he himself is in so many biblical violations before God. Just think how much good would result if just one pope repented and began preaching the pure gospel of Jesus Christ!!

    God Bless!
     
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    I really have no problem with what the pope says here until he says to be faithful to the Sunday mass. For the most part it is just practical Christian living that we as Christians should try to follow. There are alot of secular diversions that take us away from the Lord. How many of us skip the Sunday evening service because we find that football game more important to us.
     
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    Given that both having Sundays as a sabbath and the whole concept of having a sabbath as a fixed day are unbiblical concepts under the new covernant( as opposed to the creation principle of having one day's rest in seven from work-in which playing football is perfectly compatible unless one is a professional footballer), it is IMO irrelevant whether the Pope or some Protestant leader promotes it.
     
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    A lot of us will, but few will admit it. It's not a judgement on those people, just a matter of reality. Regardless of our views on the papacy, what he said in this matter is good advice.
     
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    Amen Johnv
     
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    The Undiscovered Country

    The Millennium is part of the New Covenant era. The whole human population on Earth will be keeping the Sabbath Day (Isa. 66:23) and the Lord's "appointed times" in the New Covenant era (Zechariah 14:16-19).

    Therefore, we should be keeping these days now (1Cor. 5:7-8).

    Strange as it may seem, the New Covenant is not yet fully implemented. We know this from the fact that believers - young and old - still need instruction. But when the New Covenant is fully operational then "they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."

    http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/snotes/note1105.html
     
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    I just emailed the link to this article to my sister-in-law, who lives in Buffalo, NY. Not only is she a staunch Catholic, but an AVID Bills fan. I can't wait to read her response.....
     
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    I find it odd that so many people insist that the 10 Commandments belong in the secular courthouses yet don't want to actually observe them (looking at a sculpture on your way to pay a parking fine isn't what I mean by "observe"). Seriously, are the 10 Commandments just for show? The 4th is pretty clear: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
     
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    Where does the Pope list the do's and dont's of sunday.

    He says "When Sunday loses its fundamental meaning and becomes subordinate to a secular concept of 'weekend' dominated by such things as entertainment and sport, people stay locked within a horizon so narrow that they can no longer see the heavens,"

    People have replaced worship with entertainment, the pope himself was an avid sportsman. We don't have to get rid of sports we just have to make sure our priorities are straight with God being first no matter what day of the week, why is that so hard to understand? This is especially true on sundays.

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    Ouch!!!!!

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    That's not quite accurate. The RCC has masses every day, including Saturdays. The only time that a Saturday mass fulfills the Sunday obligation is when the mass takes place after sundown, in accordance with old Jewish tradition of sundown marking the beginning of the next day.
     
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    I am talking about the mass that takes place after sundown on Saturday night.

    When I was a RC, THAT mass was NOT held. It was implemented to free up parishioners for 'more important' activities on Sunday...

    It was a 'convenience'.
     
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    Ah, another former RC'er, like myself. Kindred spirits [​IMG]

    At first glance, I'd agree with you. But when you think about it, we all (catholic and not) choose our service attendence times by convenience. For example, going to a later service so we can sleep in, or going to an earlier service so we can have lunch with the in-laws, etc. Jesus said man was not made for the sabbath, but the other way around. I don't think which mass or service one decides to attend is the crux of the topic. Many Baptist churches also have Saturday evening services. As I stated earlier: regardless of our views on the papacy or the RCC, what the Pope said in this matter is good advice.
     
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    As far as having the Saturday services "after sundown", all of the local RCC churches here have Saturday mass at 4 or 4:30 pm. Not usually "after sundown" no matter what time of year it is......
     
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    Where does it say to go to church on Sundays? I read in the old and new testaments where it says to keep the commandments..ergo...commandment #4 stating to remember the sabbath and keep it holy. (Some think this says to "keep" the sabbath. But I choose to remember the sabbath (the seventh day when God rested from his work). No plowing fields or doing things that take you away from enjoying all that he created...light, seas, sky, fish, mountians, people, ect...) BTW, where does it say to sit in pew? Jesus told the people if an ox was in the ditch on the sabbath that people would pull it out. (This was after he healed on the sabbath.) Now there is a scripture thats says we should not neglect the assembling of ourselfs together....but is there a specific set day? I guess thats why I like to watch football? Because I enjoy it. [​IMG] But I guess if the pope is convicted about watching football then he may be at a different level than others are and shouldn't watch it? :D [​IMG]

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    The New Covenant says "I will write My Laws upon their heart" it says nothing about "They are free to edit my commands as the mood strikes them".

    Where do you find a statement in the New Covenant calling for "editing" of God's Word?

    In Mark 7 Christ objects to traditions that are used to edit the commands of God -- was this just a case of the Jews living like a New Covenant Christian a little "too early"??

    In Gen 2:3-4 Christ the Creator gives mankind "the" Seventh-day as a sanctified blessed day and points out in Exodus "tomorrow is The Sabbath" reminding them again of the very day to be used as a memorial.

    The Pope appeals to the continuation of Christ the Creator's 10 commandments -- he is either right or wrong to do so.

    But if right - then you can not edit them.

    In Christ,

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    According to Christ the Creator's words in ISaiah 58 regarding the Lord's day "The day Holy to the Lord" -- the Pope is right about How God want's His Sabbath to be "sanctified" and set appart for "Not speaking your own word nor doing your own pleasure".

    The "real question" is -- should Sunday be honored as the Sabbath of the 4th commandment? If not then -- do as you please as you would choosing to attend a church service on Tuesday and then watching a ballgame afterwards. (Or... make that Monday!)

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    No, that's not the real question at all. The real question is, are we honoring the spirit of the 4th commandment? One day in seven set aside for worship and rest? For me, I must admit that it's often a hearty "no".
     

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