The Pre Mil Position

Depending on the position you are dealing with it still amounts to about the same. (those two positions are Replacement or Continuation theologies)

The Church is now Israel, only we are Israel spiritually and all the promises made to the people were not really meant to be literal but spiritually understood. IOW - all the prophesies of restoration are actaully spiritually fulfilled in Christ. There is nothing physical ( literal) about those promises in their understanding.


And just in case you aren't familar with the two theologies I just mentioned here they are in a nut shell.
Replacement - The church has replaced Israel as God's people
Continuation - (first, I don't know if that is what it is actaully called but it will suffice) The church is the continuation of the true spiritual Israel and that there is no disction between them and the Church.

 

What group or view is a partial Pret but not Amil or post in the eschatology?

That is one variation yes and it typical of the Amil view point.
The Post (who is also a partial pret) states as you did that judgment against and the destruction of Israel is a past event but what is left to come is Christ's return, the Great white throne judgment and the millenial reign.

Remember that the Pret position holds the majority of prophies concerning end times has been fulfilled. Thus the basic but concise defintion of a Preterist as I quoted earlier without giving any specifics as to what constitutes partial or full.

 

Thanks Allan. I think that's a fair assessment. This was from my note on amil earlier -- "most amillennialists insist that the promises made to national Israel, David and Abraham in the OT are fulfilled by Christ and the Church during this age."

 

Not with regard to the Amil or Post-mil view, no.

I am neither. I am hybrid so to speak. I hold closer to a historic Pre-mil view with definate Dispensational tendencies.

 

Allan, thanks for all the info. However, I think you are wrong on the Seventh Day Adventists. When the prophecies of Jesus' return in the 1800s (3 different times) failed, someone decided that Jesus did return in 1844, but the "return" was Jesus entering the heavenly sanctuary. However, they still believe Jesus will come back. They believe that when He does, those worshiping on Sunday will be found to be in league with the anti-christ.

Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_eschatology


This is from a So. Baptist site:
The SDA Church teaches that we are in the last days. They do not set a date for the second coming, but imply that it will be soon. Bible prophecy can be understood from world history, as interpreted by Mrs. White. The SDA remnant church is proclaiming the final call for all people to prepare for the coming of Christ. They believe certain, specific signs will precede the end, especially a worldwide legal requirement for Sunday worship, the mark of the beast.
Source:
http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2951373/k.61F1/Seventhday_Adventism.htm

 

Hey I got one right !! :laugh: :godisgood:

 

Yes, you are correct. I was remembering their views prior to that reversal of thinking. Thanks Marcia.

 

I do believe that those promises which God gave to Abraham and David (not neglecting the other but these suffice) are to still be fulfilled.

I believe that God has not cast those who He foreknew away (Rom 11:1), anymore than He will cast aside us or those whom He did foreknow (Rom 8:29)


Is that clear on that portion?

 

This is the SDA view of the endtimes, according to this article. I went on the official SDA site several years ago, and read for myself their words that those worshipping on Sunday would be aligned with the antichrist. When I tried to find that again, they had rearranged their website and it seems, removed that part. I tried several times to find it. I think they still believe it but they don't like people knowing that.

Also, SDAs have TV shows and seminars which they sponsor but they keep the SDA name out of it. They also have sometimes aligned themselves with cults that bring suits against various organizations or people.

Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_eschatology

 

I think this is about to turn from Pre-mil views to SDA views :laugh:
Mainly because I agree with HP, I hear Bob Ryan gettting closer and both guns are loaded :laugh:

 

Ok you stated

I said:

So what are you not understanding. I directly answered your question.
Do I beleive?.. I do believe..[editted in] that the land promised to Isreal is still to be fulfilled as their possession.

 

So if all the Scriptures I quoted in the previous post, regarding a literal future restoration of the nation of Israel, are now to be understood as promises for the Church (us), then what exactly is it that the Church is being restored from?

These prophecies in their original context concerned the physical nation of Israel in the physical land that God had promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, a nation who had profaned the name of the Lord their God with their idolatry and wickedness. God's promises to restore the nation of Israel are not for THEIR sakes, but for HIS very own name's sake.

So how can this prophesied future restoration of the fallen nation of Israel for the Lord's Name sake now be fitted to the Church, who is the very Body of Christ?

 

Don't worry, I'm not going to turn into an SDA thread!

I know what you mean about the guns loaded! :laugh: