The question of Why?

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  1. Comrade

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    I'm curious. Most of the time all I hear is the KJV being attacked. Why is this?

    What has satan done since the Garden of Eden? he has tried to manipulate God's word. When Eve responded to satan he said back to her "no that's not what God meant" If you look at the new translations they take out verses and even chunks of chapters. Why is that?
     
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    Comrade,

    I have to ask as I have been on here for a while. Most of the time I refrain from posting in this forum because people don't seem to really read what is being said. In all the time I have been here I have never read one attack on the KJV, not one. I have continually read attacks against all versions other than the KJV. I have also read many attacks against the false teachings that the KJV is the "only" version that is the Word of God. I think before asking the above question you need to have a proper premise that is factual.

    Please read what people are actually saying and you will find that no one here is attacking the KJV.

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    I hear both and I am not just speaking here in general but around. I think a lot of people will give a lot of hollow arguements. I don't know. While we are all sitting here debating which version we should use and so on people are dieing and going to hell.
     
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    I agree that debate has gotten out of hand. I find it dangerous for someone to say that if you don't hold to one particular version you do not have the Word of God. Some carry it to the extent of teaching that one cannot be saved except through their chosen version. God has given us His Word, He has given us faithful versions that all contain His Truth. I wish I could say that the attacks against His Word would cease and we could be about His business, but such is not the case.

    As long as the rabid KJVO people attack God's Word, because it is not their chosen version, how can we move out and share the Gospel effectively to a lost world? Jesus told us that it is by our love that the world would know we are His disciples.

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    I have more respect for a person who says that they believe the NIV (or another version) is the Word of God and that is all they will use. I believe a person can get saved through another version. I don't make that an external issue but internal on the Bible version.

    If you actually look at it the reason why Martin Luther got saved was because he met a guy named Erasmus who had the TR. My pastor actually used for a long time a NASB (I think it was onther version) and preachers would shout that it was the KJV that should be used but gave no backing and my pastor actually did a long time of research on his own using historical documents and so on but in the end he found the KJV.

    But all the church of jerusalem did, well mainly, was debate doctrine and that church died.
     
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    People say things like "God hates the sin but not the sinner". How does one separate the sin from the sinner? Did God burn the sin of sodomy or did He burn the sodomite? My point is, how do you separate the KJV from the KJVO?

    All these many threads that crop up overnight, are against the so-called false teaching of onlyism. I don't have a belief in any "ism". I believe the kjBible is the true and perfect word of God. Don't y'all?

    You say you love this Bible, but yet, just go back & read all your post. I see an attack on me, on Michelle, and others here. Some have even been locked out. I've understood every word she's said & she's displayed a Christ-like attitude the whole time.

    It sure looks like the old Book is being attacked, which is an attack on those who love it. Yes, the attacks are getting worse because the devil has a plan and he's been operating it since the beginning. He will spare no effort trying to destroy God's Word; thus, we're compelled to spare no effort to preserve it, regardless of all cost, including ridicule. I'm ready.
     
  7. Comrade

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    I agree. Why don't we try to modernize Shakespeare's work? An English major told me because it will ruin the beauty of it. Then why change the KJV?

    "But the natural man receiveth not the things of God..."
     
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    Comrade,

    Again have no problem with someone if they choose to use one version exclusively. I have no problem if they believe their version is the most correct. The only problem I have is when someone call the Word of God "demonic" or "new age" when the translators have taken great care to remain true to the Greek Text.

    I like your pastor began my ministry using one version (for me it was the NIV), after examination and personal preference began to kick in, I went back to my KJV and eventually went to the version I use most now in preaching and teaching the NKJV. I use my KJV, NKNV and Greek NT in my studies for the most part.

    I believe it is dangerous for those who call the Word of God evil---they are attributing to the devil that which God has given us.

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    I used to be KJVO back in the Philippines, until I thought, 'wait a minute, what about before the KJV came on the scene. As a matter of fact, what about before printing ever came on the scene. As a matter of fact, what about those who don't know how to read and write and could not afford the services of a scribe ?'.

    So, I became a KJV Preferred.

    And I agree with granny here. Some of the attacks have been virulent, and personal, and I cannot help but say I admire the courage of Michelle and her cool head. If it had been me on the receiving end of some of what she received, I will probably be looking up some people's addressess (just joking, mind you).

    Still, there are Bibles that can be comparably good to the KJV and there are those out there that pass themselves off as Bibles, but you can use them as toilet paper in the bush.
     
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    I'm curious. Most of the time all I hear is the KJV being attacked. Why is this?

    I have not seen anyone attack the KJV. I attack the falsehood of KJVOism.

    It is the KJVO Camp that is attacking the Word of the Most High as found in translations other than the 1769KJV.

    What has satan done since the Garden of Eden? he has tried to manipulate God's word. When Eve responded to satan he said back to her "no that's not what God meant" If you look at the new translations they take out verses and even chunks of chapters. Why is that?

    Satan is the father of lies. The last thing that Satan wants us to do is understand the Word of God fully and follow the Word fully through prayer, etc...

    On what authority do you base your claim about new translations? Older English bibles like the Geneva Bible do not line up with the 1769KJV(Psalm 12 for example). Does this make older English bibles bad?

    Since the KJV does not follow the TR and MT 100% then how do you know that the KJV did not add to the Word? What is your authority to make such a claim about modern bibles when older English bibles do the same thing? Even the KJV today is different that the 1611KJV.

    The KJ21 and TMB are updated AV1611KJV. The KJ21 and TMB followed the same path that Blayney took in 1769. Are the KJ21 and TMB a product of Satan?

    I hear both and I am not just speaking here in general but around. I think a lot of people will give a lot of hollow arguements. I don't know. While we are all sitting here debating which version we should use and so on people are dieing and going to hell.

    Very true! The major problem that we must deal with debating KJVOism is that KJVOism is not scriptural. KJVOism is a man made myth that has done nothing but create confusion in the church. KJVOism is full of lies and distortions, slander, and pure hear say theology that we as bible believers must confront and fight. Satan is using the lie of KJVOism to hinder the work of the church. KJVO gaints like Ruckman, Cloud, Chick, Riplinger, Fuller, and Waite have done nothing but lie in order to prove that the ends justify the means. KJVOism can not be proven via scripture by the KJV.

    Those people who are going to hell need a bible that they can read and fully understand without the help of dictionaries etc... I have co workers who can not follow the KJV, not because the KJV is a bad translation, but because it is on a 12+ reading level. The word of God must be in the common tongue and not locked in 17thg century English. How does a person today know that "corn" is actually "grain" in the KJV? Do you not find Ruth 4:1 a little hard to understand in the KJV? What's wrong with using a modern version?

    Why can't KJVOist just say that we perfer the KJV and stop slandering other bibles and people that use them?

    I see Satan more at work within the KJVO Camp that those of us who use modern translations like the NASB, NKJV, KJ21, NIV, ESV, etc....

    Let's see if the KJVO Camp can swallow some pride and admit that they have not proof outside of myths. KJVOism uses the same foundation that the Mormon's use to justify Mormonism.

    I was a cultic KJVO for over 7 years. From fully studying the issues and seeking the truth I came out of the KJVO Camp.

    There is nothing wrong with the KJV if that is what you want to use. Please don't try to force people to read a version of the bible that they can not fully understand because of it's dated language and English structure.

    In Christ,
     
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    GG,

    I really don't remember too many attacking you as I don't remember you attacking any. The issue remains that every Bible believer on here believes that God has preserved His inspired Word for us. I would be very angry is someone said the KJV was not the Word of God as I am when someone attacks the Word of God in legitamate versions they don't prefer. Michelle has used words directed at God's Word that are offensive, that cannot be considered Christian conduct.

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    People on both sides of the debate have said things that they shouldn't have, something that's unfortunately all-too-common in emotionally-charged discussions. I often wonder, assuming KJVOs really believe that MVers are carnal, deceived, and disobedient, whether true fellowship is possible between the members of the two camps. I would like to think so, but I have my doubts. Too bad we can't fight on the same side against the real enemies of truth.
     
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    I have not seen any anti-KJV posts, can you find some?

    I have seen plenty of anti-KJVO posts, a couple with my name attached.

    I use the KJV, I have used it since I was a child. I have no problems with it, it is a very high quality translation
     
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    Attacking a sect teaching false doctrine? Count me in.

    Attacking the KJV (whatever revision you think is the right one - I use the 1611)? Nada

    Amazingly, you CAN do one without the other.
     
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    Never? That is distortion! I read any posts in the past. They attacked the KJV by saying:

    1. "The KJV is based on inferior MSS."

    2. "The KJV has errors."

    3. The KJV derived from a few MSS."

    And more.
     
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    including me.
     
  17. Bro Tony

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    Askjo,

    There is no distortion in my statement. I have never read from anyone on here that has stated that the KJV was not the Bible or the Word of God. I don't need you to tell me what I mean. I am still waiting on an answer on the other thread.

    Every person on this board that I have read considers the KJV as the Word of God. There is no distortion in my statement. The only distortion of the truth has come from the KJVO as they attack the Word of God in versions other than KJ.

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    Somebody has a martyr complex. :rolleyes:
     
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    So the KJVO come here calling the NASB, NIV and NKJV "satanic", "counterfeit bibles" and a "new age conspiracy" because they are based on manuscripts which they claim are corrupted with ommissions, and errors and then get upset when we try to show them that the same thing (howbeit perhaps of a lesser degree) is true of the KJV.

    Then they proceed to publicly slander, flay, quarter and disembowel Wescott and Hort and then get upset when we show that king James and his "bishops" were guilty of shedding the blood of innocent believers.

    KJV Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

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    Amen, Hank!
     

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