The Real 'Fat Cats' of the Recession

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  1. carpro

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    http://biggovernment.com/vderugy/2010/02/17/the-recessions-fat-cats-public-employees/#more-76610

    The Recession’s Fat Cats: Public Employees

    by Veronique de Rugy

    Last week, the Huffington Post (here) was all over this new study showing that low-income workers got hit more severely during the recession than high-income workers (low-income workers suffer an over 30 percent unemployment rate, workers making about $138,000, only a 3.2 percent.)

    The data in this study, which turned out to be quite misleading, certainly makes for nice populist headlines. But it is hiding the true debate that we should be having. And that’s not that low-skill workers are vulnerable to recession (duh) but that public-sector employees still have jobs and private employees don’t.
     
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    Patently false. With state and local governments across the country experiencing budget shortfalls, schools are laying people off, libraries are closing, and services are being cut back, resulting in layoffs.

    For example, Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools are getting ready to lay of 880 employees. CLICK HERE
     
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    We need to cut back on government "services" so, if what you're saying is true, then it's probably a good thing. The bad part of it is that the "services" being cut may not be in the best order of priority. Unfortunately, I don't think the cuts are nearly as much as is implied nor as we really need them to be. Remember that Obama is claiming credit for the stimulus working so how can it really be so bad? A lot of stimulus money went to fund government and that's all tax money to fund more tax money. It cannot be a good thing long term.
     
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    Yeah, cutting childrens' education is a good thing. Right. :rolleyes:
     
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    What is true is that government employment has expanded in the last year and the average pay of government employees is higher than private industry.

    I know you don't like the truth much, but there it is.

    Your isolated examples don't tell the whole story.
     
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    Source?

    Again, you lose credibility by slinging insults rather than substantiating your assertions. I know you hate to have facts counter to your bizarre op-eds you post, but you gain no ground with stupid statements like this.

    That was not an isolated example. It is one of many. I read a wide variety of news sources, and it is a problem all over the country. The horrible economy is taking its toll on tax revenues. I see it in Colorado, the Carolinas and elsewhere.
     
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    You really should try to keep up with the news a little better.



    If you want the sources, look them up yourself. There are dozens.

    Maybe you can eliminate your ignorance and stop making a fool of yourself.
     
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    You mean "cutting childrens' indoctrination into godless philosophies" is a good thing. I agree.
     
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    Yeah, that godless math and grammar sure are poisoning our kids minds. You are laughable. So I will laugh at you. :laugh: :laugh:

    Our nation will die without an educated populous. I want America to remain #1 in the world, including in science. Only the ignorant revel in ignorance.
     
  10. Aaron

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    Public schools don't focus on the Three R's. They focus on secular humanism and other liberal, atheistic philosophies.
     
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    Do you think all public schools are this way? If so, what is the answer?
     
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    I do. I was taught evolution as aboslute truth starting in 1967.
     
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    That's a typical response. Cutting government school spending doesn't equate to cutting childrens' education unless you assume that we're really getting our money's worth from what we have and that there's no other way to teach children what they need to know except through a government school. We can cut a whole lot of things from government schools and not loose one bit of real education. We can cut most of the administration and especially all the counseling, babysitting, school police, administrative boondoggles, extravagant facilities, etc. without even touching the teaching staff. We can kick the delinquents out permanently because they're never going to do anything but distract the rest from learning. We can set up small neighborhood one-room schools within walking distance of most students staffed with just a few teachers. We can teach reading, writing, arithmetic, and science - not Al Gore's or Charles Darwin's version but just basic physics, etc. - and leave out all the sex education, psychology, political indoctrination, literature, trade school, etc. Parents should step up and do their Biblical duty to teach their children. If only the students could graduate with the fundamental skills they could learn everything else they need elsewhere. They could make it on their own instead of having to be babied again in college, trade school, or work. Much more could be cut. We just think we can't do without it because we've given up our own responsibility to teach our children, we've let the federal government take over the school system, and we've let the losers push the teachers out of the position of respect and authority they should have in the classroom. Cutting all federal spending on public education would be a big tax saving move and, in the long term, it wouldn't hurt one bit of productive education in this nation. The states, counties, cities, or, preferably the local community - and, hopefully, families would figure out how to handle it much more effectively in their own back yards.
     
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    Just one little example from today's news. New Orleans is to get a 1.5 mile addition to its street car line at a cost of $45 million in stimulus money. Of course this will end up costing more. Why should any of us be paying for a street car line in New Orleans? How does that increase the exchange of real goods and services? Oh yeah some contractor will get the job and hire some people to do it but the product isn't something most consumers need or want. It's a specific need for a specific location and ought to be paid for by the local citizens, businesses, and their government if they think it's really worthwhile. The rest of us have better uses for our share of the $45 million of our money. This is just a small example!
     
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    Yes.

    Put them back under local control and funding, and keep the state and federal governments out of them.
     
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    Maybe the democrats are right and we need bigger government. The government should just hire us all. That way we all will have above average salaries, above average benefits, and it would wipe out the lack off health care in one clean sweep! Sure bigger is better, what could be the flaw in that? :BangHead:
     
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    Cut out Evolution from schools! Unless you like to be apart of the Planet of the Apes!
     
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    Here's yet more data showing the stupidity of the stimulus bill:

    McConnell: Tiger Woods, John Edwards Had Better Years Than Stimulus


    It illustrates the typical excessively high cost of the so-called benefits received from government plans such as this one.

    The money would have done, and always will, more to simulate the economy if left in the hands of those that earn it in the first place. They can figure out how to put their money to work better than any group of politicians in Washington and, when they do, it generates the need for productive work from others. The government plans are mostly make-work programs that draw more from public funding than they generate back to the public.
     
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    You had me amening you right up till you got to the part about kicking out the "delinquents".
     

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