The Resistance Mounts to the H1N1 Flu Vaccination

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  1. KenH

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    The Resistance Mounts

    Posted by Karen De Coster on October 10, 2009

    We can only hope that people are hip to the government’s vaccination con. They’re figuring out that the swine flu is only a flu, with short-term effects, and the to-be-mandatory vaccination can be deadly or cause serious health problems, and the effects will be long-term.

    At the same time, the tyrant planners in the government urge mass inoculation so they can stick you before you have a chance to think for yourself about the vaccination, its non-benefits, and its potential for disastrous effects. This week, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius once again urged people to line up for the dope, saying it is “secure and safe.” This is one thing that the Government-Big Pharma-Disinformation complex did not want to happen. Too much time has passed before their vaccination program could be delivered, and it was enough time for the disinformation to be replaced by the facts, with the truth being discovered by the masses. And now that John and Jane America are armed with valuable information – thanks to the Internet – the mass inoculation, by force, is losing its grip and the hysteria is waning.

    - rest at www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/039173.html
     
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    Thanks, Pastor Mitchell. :thumbs:
     
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    I am one of those persons who will not get flu shots, in fact I try to avoid any vaccinations of any kind. When I was a boy my father took myself and my two brothers to our elementary school to get the polio vaccine on sugar-cubes. Everyone was in fine health when we went, but about 3 hours after taking the vaccine my father became seriously ill. He was actually hallucinating and in convulsions. Believe me, I will never forget. He recovered, but I have never taken a vaccination since that day.

    And I know of two fellow co-workers who got very sick within hours of getting the flu shot several years ago. One fellow said it was the sickest he's ever been and he literally thought he was going to die. He swears he will never get another flu shot again. And just today at work the other co-worker mentioned how she got very ill after getting the vaccine and will never take it again.

    So, I don't care what the media says, I have seen someone get very ill from a vaccine with my own eyes. I prefer to take my chances getting sick the natural way. If others want to get the shot, that is their business, not me.
     
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    I get the seasonal flu shot and have not had any severe problems with it except for one time when I got feeling bad the next day but took a nap and felt fine afterward.

    I am leary of the H1N1 vaccine. It is so new. Unless it becomes an actual pandemic in the United States I doubt I will get it.
     
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    Let's forget the vaccine for a minute and think about this--WHERE did this virus originate and why aren't the powers that be sniffing this out as a terror threat? Come on, where in nature do we see a virus that crosses from pigs, birds, and humans, too? This obviously isn't a NORMAL occurance, is it? And if not, how did it happen and who did it? It sounds like a biological terror weapon produced in a laboratory someplace, not happenstance of nature. Reminds me of a sci-fi movie.

    I think it's very strange indeed that this vaccine is being pushed so strongly. EVERYWHERE you look, the T.V., internet, pharmacy, schools, stores, you name it, they are PUSHING this vaccine like it's our patriotic duty to get it. Yet, they can't be held accountable if you have a reaction to it? It doesn't make sense to me.

    I'm no rocket scientist, but it seems fishy to me that we don't hear any news of a terror threat when this virus is mentioned, instead, just ads for the vaccine.
     
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    Every year the flu vaccine is new. Half the time it is for the wrong type of flu.
     
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    The canine flu crossed over from horses. I hope that al Qaeda isn't after our dogs.
     
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    Nah, just our kids. Dogs to horses is one thing. Birds to pigs to people is quite another, doncha think? Birds aren't even mammals.
     
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    Yes, I saw a good program on TV some time ago that showed how they come up with the yearly flu vaccine. There are hundreds of strains of flu, so what they do is take an educated guess on which flu strain will be active in the following year. They take the three strains that they believe most likely to emerge and put them in the vaccine. If they are correct and those strains emerge, then the vaccine will probably protect you against them. But if they are wrong (and they almost always are), then the vaccine is useless. I am not criticizing this method, it is the best they can do, no one can predict for certain which strain will emerge in the future. But this is how they do it.
     
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    Several points on this:

    A certain percentage of people can have a reaction to any given substance. Do some people have bad reactions to vaccines? Yes. Do some people have fatal reactions? Yes. Does this mean the vaccines are bad? No. They may still be helpful to the vast majority of people. Think about it. Some people are allergic to peanut butter and can die from it. That does not mean that peanut butter is bad for everyone or should be outlawed. The same thing could be said for milk. Think about the polio vaccine. So someone took it and had a bad reaction. I feel for that person, but the fact is, the polio vaccine has saved 10s of thousands of lives since it was first administered in the 1940s.

    Vaccines work, when they work, because vaccines introduce a small weakened amount of the actual virus into the patient's blood stream. The body quickly reacts and creates antibodies that destroy the weakened virus. In so doing, the body has now developed a defense against the virus so that when it is met in full strength, the body can defend against it. A consequence of vaccinations is that some people do not fight off the weakened virus successfully and they get sick. In some cases, people might even die. However, far fewer people get sick and die from the vaccine than would get sick and die from the virus if no one was innoculated against it. For this reason vaccines are a positive triumph of medicine.

    The current swine flu is a new strain of virus that has appeared only in the last two or three years in humans. The vast majority of people in the world have never come into contact with the virus. Because of this, few people have any developed immunity to it. Think of the common cold and how quickly it spreads to people and how harmful it is, though thankfully, rarely is it deadly. The swine flu could spread just as quickly and it is deadly. Currently, about 319,000 cases of swine flu have been reported in the world. About 3900 deaths have been reported. This is a death rate of about 1.3%. If 100,000 Americans got swine flu, at this rate, 1300 people would die. 1,000,000 contractors would mean 13,000 deaths. If 10% of the population caught it, 117,000 people would die. Now ask yourself this: What percentage of the population of the US caught a common cold last year? If that many people got swine flu, what would be the loss?

    One of the government's primary duties under the US constitution is to promote the general welfare of the population. The government mandates dozens of vaccinations for children including chicken pox, measles, mumps, rubella, and polio. Such government programs have successfully all but wiped out these diseases among American children. If there is a threat of swine flu, should not the government at least encourage swine flu vaccination?

    In 1976, there was a swine flu scare during the Ford administration. The government promoted a vaccine against the swine flu and 40 million Americans were inoculated. What would have happened if this inoculation had not taken place? It is impossible to know. We do not know if no one would have died or if thousands would have died. What happened to the people who took the vaccine? A death rate of 1.3% for 40 million Americans would have resulted in 520,000 deaths if that many people had contracted swine flu. There is not one confirmed case of death from the 1976 vaccination campaign.

    Come on people, learn a little science and stop buying into silly conspiracy theories. The government of the US is not conspiring to kill its own citizens with a bogus vaccine and the Obama administration, of all administrations in US history, is not conspiring to enrich pharmaceutical companies.
     
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    My daughter is allergic to peanut butter and is doing just fine. But if it were mandated that she eat peanut butter I would have a huge problem with that.

    I personally don't care if others get the flu vaccine, I simply won't and I haven't had the flu in many years. I could get it, but I could get it if I got the shot as well.

    A year or so back they tried to pass a law making it mandatory for young girls to get the Gardasil vaccination against cervical cancer. Do you know how many girls have died from this? Dozens.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news57.htm

    Now, I've got a problem with this. None of my daughters were sexually active, so they are in no risk. I don't want the government forcing my daughters to get a shot that has killed dozens. If a toy kills one child they pull it off the market, but drug companies can push deadly vaccines for years.
     
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    I used to get sick from the flu vaccine when I worked at the hospital. It was mandatory for all staff to get it and after 3 years of me coming down sick 4 or so days after the vaccine and being out a week, they decided to stop giving me the vaccine. But that was back at the end of the 80s when it was still given as a live virus.

    Years later, my ob-gyn told me to get it and I was worried but he told me that it now is a "dead" virus and I wouldn't get sick. Don't you know, he was right! I've gotten it each year since and have not once had the flu when I used to get it yearly. So for me it's worked great. I get it because, hey, we all know when mama gets sick, the entire world gets thrown into complete chaos. Or atleast you'd think so. LOL DH gets it because of his SEVERE asthma (he is working at 70% lung capacity because the other 30% is taken up with scar tissue). I'm THINKING of giving it to my 17 year old because she keeps getting sick and I think it just might help her to avoid atleast one thing. But I'm not sure yet. All of my kids except the youngest have been fine with vaccines. My youngest just tends to get very large knots in the muscle where she gets the shot which take about 4-6 months to leave. So we don't do many shots for her.
     
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    Supposing all you say is true, that still doesn't answer my question as to where this virus originated. When in history have we ever had a virus cross from birds to pigs to people? If this were a natural occurance we should have some historical examples somewhere.

    As to trusting the government, maybe this isn't a vast conspiracy to kill us all off. (I never said this, by the way.) However, we've trusted the government with our money and look at the mess our country's finances are in now. We trusted the government with "women's healthcare" and they use our tax money to butcher little unborn babies. Why should we believe the government has our best interest at heart when it comes to a vaccination that has not been tested properly?
     
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    "promote the general welfare" has to also be defined by the constitution. in other words if it is not specifically named it is not a job of the federal government.
     
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    1) It crossed from horses to dogs.

    2) I don't see your point. People get sick, and even die, from insect bites that transmit diseases. Insects aren't mammals, either.
     
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    On top of all that we have Obama's science czar on record wanting to put sterilants in our drinking water to reduce the population. ?

    What the government/mass media is doing is a long way from encouraging people. Basically what's happening is the government/mass media is "reacting" to a threat by instilling fear and installing a national control grid, people are being incrementally conditioned to accept ever more intrusions into their lives by the government whether this is systematic or not doesn't matter. What does matter is that every time the government enacts another law limiting our freedom and increasing it's control over us people are quickly accepting and becoming accustomed to it and that much more likely to accept even more government intrusion. So much so in fact that some folks like you find the very act of questioning the government and big pharma a questionable act.

    If this indeed isn't systematic then they couldn't have planned it out any better. In the space of just a few short years "we the people" have become "we the sheople" and "we the sheople" are being swiftly herded into a total control grid. This isn't just happening in the USA this is happening all over the world. Government's every where are all doing the same thing.

    Is this a global coincidence?
     
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    The current problem with the H1N1 vaccination is it is being fast tracked. Meaning it is being released prior to completion of studies. And the studies are being done in a fast tracked manner. When the shots are administered they are done so with an oil based adjutant. The current studies are being done without the adjutants in them.

    The oil based adjutants have been known to cause auto-immune diseases. This is the real problem with the current state of vaccinations.
     
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    THIS is what concerns me about the vaccine.

    BTW - A woman I know is convinced that the H1N1 vaccine has a microchip in it that will be the mark of the beast and that if we do not get this vaccine this winter, we will be put in concentration camps.
     
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    Exactly. Since when are we to stop thinking for ourselves and let others do it for us? If you want the shot, fine, take it. But people shouldn't be made to feel like conspiracy nuts for questioning the virus or the vaccine.

    Here in WV, our Charleston hospitals have already told their workers to get the shot or lose their jobs. If the vaccine is so wonderful, people shouldn't have to be bullied into getting it. Whatever happened to our "right to choose?"
     

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