THE SABBATH POLL

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THE SABBATH POLL

  1. The Law is abolished and so the Sabbath no longer needs to be kept

    25.0%
  2. We need to keep the Law of God but the Sabbath doesnt matter

    30.0%
  3. The Law of God still applies and so does the Sabbath but it is Sunday

    45.0%
  4. The Law of God still applies to us today and so does the 7th Day Sabbath

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  1. Claudia_T

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    I would like to know how people view the importance of the Sabbath Day.

    Some believe that the Sabbath no longer applies because we no longer have to keep the 10 Commandments at all.

    Others believe that we must keep the 10 Commandments but that the Sabbath is not important or the specific day you keep is not important.

    Some believe that the Law of God still applies and so does the Sabbath but that it has been changed to Sunday.

    Still others believe that we must keep the 10 Commandments and that the 7th day Sabbath (Saturday) still remains, and that it matters which day you keep holy.

    [ May 06, 2006, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: Claudia_T ]
     
  2. Claudia_T

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    The Law of God still applies to us today and so does the 7th Day Sabbath


    ...that's how I voted [​IMG]
     
  3. I Am Blessed 24

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    The Law of God still applies and so does the Sabbath but it is Sunday.

    That's when I 'keep' my Sabbath.

    ...and that's how I voted. [​IMG]
     
  4. standingfirminChrist

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    The Sabbath was to be God's rest. On the seventh day He rested from His work that He had made.

    I worship on Sunday
     
  5. I Am Blessed 24

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    I worship on Sunday too, Ron. That's where I find my 'rest'. ;)
     
  6. SpiritualMadMan

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    I didn't like the questions...

    So, I didn't vote [​IMG]

    The sabbath days rest was initiated at Creation not by the Law...

    The Law codified it but did not initiate it...

    Therefore references to the Law are immaterial, IMHO

    The concept of a day to "Selah", to sit back relax and reflect on the previous week is one 'we', Americans especially, would do well to consider and keep...

    I do not believe **ANYONE** of us here *really* keeps the Sabbath, irregardless of what day we *say* we keep it on...

    In fact the day we *call* our Sabbath at times has *more* activities and stress than any other day of our week!

    That is in no way a day of 'rest'...

    And, God didn't worship on the sabbath... He rested... We should do likewise, shouldn't we?

    Mike Sr.
     
  7. Brother Bob

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    Claudia:
    I voted same before I saw yours for its what I believe very strongly.
     
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    I didn't vote because none of the options reflect my position. The ten commandments still apply today but which day is kept as the sabbath is left up to the person as a matter of Christian freedom.
     
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    The ten commandments is a list of impossibilities, revealing how we can never measure up to God's standard in this fallen flesh. We fail miserably on the first.

    Salvation was always by God's grace, and not by law. Jesus, the man, fulfilled the requirements of the law of God, and sealed that completion in the cross.

    We worship God on Sunday in celebration of the resurrection of Christ. Just as the New Testament period progressed byond the Old Testament, so the church has advanced to this century. The better question is why do we plan so many events for Sunday unrelated to worship and rest?

    I could not do the poll because none of the questions fit my requirements.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  10. following-Him

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    I found the poll too limiting so I didn't vote.There is nowhere there that represents my views.

    Blessings

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    ditto to followinghim
     
  12. I Am Blessed 24

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    None of them were exactly what I wanted, but it never crossed my mind to just not vote.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Oh Noooooooo!!

    and here I tried to be so careful to include everyone in the questions... but I didnt quite cover every possibility, it looks like.

    This is my view on the Sabbath and the Law...

    Now that I think about it, I agree with Jim and SpiritualMadMan in the part about nobody really being able to keep the Law.

    If we look at Jesus, who is our model of perfection and at the Law itself, it is an impossibility to keep it perfectly.

    And so when it comes to Justification, I agree with them, I think. You can do absolutely nothing to recommend yourself to God in any way and must rely on the sacrifice of Christ alone.

    When it comes to Sanctification I probably have a view that would be considered "weird" to most people.

    I think that in old testament and new testament times, nobody could ever or will be ever able to keep the Law perfectly. And this is what is required of us. So we must again rely completely on the sacrifice of Jesus alone for Sanctification.

    HOWEVER

    When it comes to sanctification we read about Job who was said to be "perfect before God"

    Job:1:1: There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

    Then we have in the new testament Zacharias and Elisabeth, and the Bible says they too kept the commandments:

    Lk:1:6: And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

    So I think we can keep the commandments just as well as God EXPECTS us to.

    I see the whole thing more like a "heart" thing or a "relationship with God" thing.

    Mk:12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

    We should out of the motive of love for God and love for our neighbor, endeavor through faith in God's power, to keep all 10 of the commandments (and I dont think the Sabbath has been changed).

    But its not like God is standing there with a big stick just waiting for you to break any of them so He can condemn you.

    I also dont believe that we just kind of sit there and God carries us along... we have to put forth effort, and its not easy giving up self, thats why its called "the narrow way".

    I also believe we grow in degrees and that Sanctification is the work of a lifetime.

    I believe if today my heart is right with God and I am totally relying on the sacrifice of Christ, and I should die, I would be saved.

    I think that what God is after is our love and our loyalty.


    and of course like I said, I believe he 7th day Sabbath is still applicable today. It is the sign God gave to show that we worship the Creator of Heaven and Earth and that we realize that He alone sanctifies us or makes us holy and that by His creative power, we are changed... and thus, the Sabbath day will never change.

    Ezek:20:12: Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

    Ex:31:13: Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations ; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

    Ezek:20:20: And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

    Claudia

    [ May 06, 2006, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: Claudia_T ]
     
  14. Claudia_T

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    Maybe I shouldve taken a survey first to find out what questions to ask on the poll!


    so far the results say that 50 percent have this view:

    "The Law of God still applies and so does the Sabbath but it is Sunday"
     
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    followinghim and rbell,

    well I for one would love to hear what your views are, even though they arent included on the poll..
     
  16. Brother Bob

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    The righteous of the Law is fulfilled in us. So you are saying we can break the commandments and still fullfil the righteous of it.

    Claudia;
    What do you believe in one post you say you believe in keeping the Ten and the next you say you can't. That young man that came to the Lord and said "these have I kept from my youth up". If he had of been lying the Lord would of called him on it for He would of known.
     
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    Hi Bob!

    Its great that you believe in keeping the commandments [​IMG]


    Ok here is the passage in it's entirety:

    Luke 18:
    18: And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
    19: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
    20: Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
    21: And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
    22: Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
    23: And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
    24: And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
    25: For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
    26: And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?

    I believe Jesus told the rich young ruler that he actually wasnt keeping the commandments though he thought he was. Jesus showed him his plague spot, which was a love for money. Because when Jesus told him to go and sell all that he had.. he refused to do that. Jesus said he was "lacking".

    But still, even if the rich young ruler had said "ok Jesus, I will do that and keep the whole law"...

    he couldnt keep it perfectly. Because when we look at Jesus who perfectly kept the law, He was completely unselfish every single moment of His life.

    When I look at the Law of God in its broadest terms, I think of how Jesus said you have heard, "Thou shalt not kill", but I say to you even if you are angry in your heart against your brother you are in danger of the judgment.

    I view the Law in its very detailed form.. like as in every single thought, action, emotion... and I realize I am not doing that. Not that we CANT... because if God asks us to do something then He gives the power to do it.

    But that I realize Im not and wont ever be as perfect as Jesus.

    Even the Holy Man Isaiah, when he took one look at God in the sanctuary said:

    Isa:6:5: Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

    and look even at what Daniel, that Holy Man of God said:

    Dan:10:8: Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.


    Claudia
     
  18. digger

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    I'm not so sure he did keep the commandments. He had obviously put money before God, hadn't he? Jesus didn't "call him on it" but pointed it out to him in a different way.
     
  19. rbell

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    "Sabbath" is important. The day is not.

    It doesn't have to be Sunday. Or Saturday.

    That view should have been included...I think you'll find many Baptists feel that way.
     
  20. Diggin in da Word

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    It was not so much a love for money as it was a love for the material things he possessed.

    Jesus told him to 'Go, sell all that you own.' He did not say give all your money up first, but to sell possessions first.
     

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