The Soul

I have not arrived at this belief myself...yet. But it does intrest me, because Jesus was a Jew. Jews don't usually change what they teach over time. I wonder if this is what Jesus was taught. And if so , if not the truth, why didn't he teach against it.

 

The soul is something that is not examined with a microscope. However, Job says this;

11Therefore I will not refrain my mouth;(body) I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.

No!! Only God has always existed. To imply that we too existed borders on equality with God.

Only after God breathed into his nostrils. Every successive person thereafter is a living soul at conception. Job also tells us that every living thing has a soul;
Job 12:9&10
9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Job does give much insight into the soul and it seems to me that Job is pointing to the seat of emotions as the soul.
Job 14:22
22But his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn.

More of the soul's relationship with emotion.
Psalm 13:2
2 How long shall I take counsel in my soul, having sorrow in my heart daily?

I am not saying that this is what I believe, what I am saying is that it seems that many scripture is pointing to the seat of emotions as the location of the soul.

I personally believe that as soon as the chromosomes of the mother and those of the father have merged, the soul of a new human being is in place.

 

Brother,

There is ample scripture that points to a person (a living soul) having "soul" at the first sign of "life".

There is ZERO scripture stating anything to support any other view that I have seen.

So why is it you have trouble agreeing with the soul being in a man at the first sign of life?

Can you give any other scripture that supports any other possibility?? If not, why reject the scripture that states "God breathed into the nostrals and man became a living soul"?

Without soul you cannot be pyhsically alive!

Jam 2:26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Therefore, If the baby/body is ALIVE it has a SPIRIT/SOUL.


Gid Bless! :jesus:

 

Thanks Jim ! I figured I could count on you to shed some light on this concept.

 

You two just keep twisting scripture to justify killing children. If I were doing this I would be in mortal fear for my eternity.

 

What scripture would have you place the soul entering somewhere between conception and birth?

Jam 2:26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Therefore, If the baby/body is ALIVE it has a SPIRIT/SOUL.

 

Here "soul" means "life." It does not mean we are souls are spirit creatures. We are embodied creatures - humans who are body, mind and soul/spirit. I am not sure what you are saying.

 

I do not like what I've read of Watchman Nee. I think he did a lot of eisigesis.

This idea that the spiritual world is more substantive than the material world sounds Gnostic. It also reminds me of the New Age.

Jesus resurrected in his physical body. This is of primary importance.

 

There is no biblical support for such a belief. It probably comes from extra-biblical sources or from folklore (that a baby does not have a soul until 30 days after birth). It reminds me of the New Age belief that a baby is not a person until he/she breathes at birth and/or that the soul does not enter the baby until shortly before or after birth. This is why they can justify abortion.

 

Right! I'm one of them - soul and spirit are often used interchangeably in the Bible.

I think for a definition we would have to look to God's word, and He doesn't define it. I think that is why there is so much speculation and may I say, misinformation on it.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

We just don't know although I think the soul is present at conception but not before.

The soul is part of who we are and we are fallen, so no, the soul is not pure and free from sin.

 

Jim,

"The Spiritual Man" by Watchman Nee delves into this topic. I have the book but haven't read it yet. Seems like I have an ever growing list of books in that category but I digress. You might want to check it out.

 

Yes, but that's not from the Bible, so it's not God's word. That's why I said "extra-biblical."

 

Thanks, I will remember your warning when I do get around to reading it.

 

Soul always means life.

Why have you stated "soul/spirit" as one? Are you saying soul and spirit are one in the same? Or are you saying they are inseperable?

I believe every soul/life has a spirit given by God at the moment of life. Just like Genesis states;

Gen 2:7And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;and man became a living soul.

Spirit gives spirit and a living soul is created.

Take away the spirit and the body dies (Jame 2:26) Does the soul/life end there? No. Only the phyisical dies. Scripture declares the soul moves on without the body to wherever God sends you.

The body cannot be alive without the spirit, therefore babies in the womb are living souls and must have their spirits.

Jim chooses to deny these truths for whatever personal reason. He claims the scriptures are not definitive. I don't see how the scriptures could be any clearer. I guess he wants the scriptures to say "abortion". The scripture does not say Trinity either, but I'm sure he accepts the Trinity.

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