Me2 wants to talk about man. So we now have a topic just for that purpose. So Me2, this is the place for that discussion, not the "Total Depravity" topic. Brought here from the "total depravity" topic. if we were born with the right spirit. the entire plan of God would be moot. unfortunately we are born with a cursed carnal spirit. one that must face the righteousness of God and be destroyed. 1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. there are two spirits in this world. If not, there wouldnt be a difference of opinion here. we were born with the wrong one in our flesh that is opposed to Christ. the spirit that belong to this world that is subject to the god of this world. the dead spirit that is satans subject. the antichrist spirit. this is the main reason man is physically born totally depraved. try the spirits cause theres two of um yelsew2</font>[/QUOTE]First, Me2, We need to ask other believers if they are convinced by your insistence that man's spirit is replaceable, meaning the human spirit which is the life of the flesh when one is born and throughout one's life can be removed from the flesh it quickens without killing the flesh, only to be replaced by the spirit of Christ which revives the dead flesh.