The Way of the Master Moment episode The Church of Satan

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  1. evangelist6589

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    Are you diligent to share your faith? I have heard WOTM episodes of examples of sharing ones faith with Wiccans, Satanists, among other false teachers. So are you doing likewise? Do you share your faith with the church of Satan? There goes another moment gone forever. Go share your faith while you still have time.
     
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    I'm always looking for opportunities to do so effectively, and I get them.

    Yes, but I don't do it WOTM style, because I don't think that is the way of Jesus.

    You used the expression, "other false teachers," as the finish to a list of presumably similar things. I hope you understand that adherents to Wiccan religions and satanists are often not teachers. A false teacher is someone who makes it a point to spread their message. Most Wiccans and satanists I have encountered are not evangelizing. In fact, the real satanists are usually doing things in secret.

    I do not think I have even spoken to a person who is a member of the Church of Satan - please note that it is an extremely specific group that was founded by Anton LaVey and is something quite a bit different than the self-styled satanism groups that I have encountered. The Church of Satan is more spectacle and hedonism than a spiritual reality and gets much more publicity than it deserves.

    I agree with the sentiment, but there are many more people out there besides the tiny minority of Wiccans, Church of Satan members, and satanists. Minister to the people who come your way unless you are specifically sent to one of these fringe groups. People who participate in occult groups are usually seeking power over the persons, habits and situations they encounter in life. Living a Christian life in front of them that demonstrates the power and confident of the Spirit is much more effective than trying to engage in dialogue with them without knowledge of their worldview and the leading of the Spirit. If you do end up in a conversation about faith, it will likely turn to the issue of power, and the demonstration thereof. If you are not walking in the Spirit's power, you will simply confirm to them that the limited power they experience is superior to God's power. Entering into that kind of confrontation violates the command about "putting God to the test", so God may end up rescuing you for the sake of the other person and His name, but you have stiff sinned against God for your presumption.

    I am not a Calvinist, but they are absolutely right when they quote John 6:44. Evangelism need to be done, mindful of the role and leading of the Spirit. We need to be like Jesus and do what we see the Father doing, working in close association with God instead of presuming to do our own thing with our own plans and tools. I came to that conclusion about 25 years ago (after about five years of door-to-door evangelism, tract distribution, and "open air" preaching). I have seen many more results and have heard back from people whom I had evangelized in years previous when I did not seen the commitment, who informed me that those few words of testimony and encouragement started them on a path where the Spirit brought them to a place of faith.
     
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    Oh boy.. The church of Satan can be any cult, progressive, or false teacher.. For example Progressives are often critiqued on the WOTM radio podcast.

    But the church of Satan includes teachers like Word of Faith churches, Mormons, Jw's, Unitarians, United Methodists, and New Age Churches.
     
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    There was a woman I met online on a natural parenting board who was a pagan. There was something about her that touched my heart and each time she posted about her drum circles and other activities, I prayed for her. One day, she messaged me and asked me if I had been praying for her. She knew I was a Christian and wanted to know. I told her I had - and she told me that the month before, her drug and alcohol addicted husband came to Christ through his sponsor at AA and just that weekend, she bent her knee to her Savior, knowing that He died for her and she needed a Savior. :) I didn't write her letters or e-mails but I prayed diligently for her and God made sure that she heard the Gospel from someone close to her and she is now a sister in Christ! :)
     
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    There are lots of ways God can draw His elect to salvation. By all means if you know of any Unitarians, United Methodist, Mormons, or others belonging to the Church of Satan pray for them and minister to them if God presents the opportunity.
     
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    Very good. Amen!Smile
     
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    Well there is a group called "The Church of Satan." I didn't realize you were simply separating the sheep from the goats in your post.

    I'll let friends and family who are in Methodist circles know they are in the "church of satan" and are no better than cultists.

    Are you getting this miserable designation from WOTM (sic) broadcasts? Are they actually teaching that United Methodists are in league with satan, or is that simply your opinion?
     
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    Methodists!!!! There are many Methodists who preach the Gospel! Sure, they may not all immerse - but they will be in Heaven along with us.
     
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    Do you know anything about United Methodists and progressive Christianity?
     
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    Note I said "United Methodist" I did not say all Methodists. All United Methodist in my area are Progressive liberals and preach another gospel.
     
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    Are there liberal Methodists - of course. Just as there are evangelical Methodists as well.

    Just as there are liberal Baptists.
     
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    Indeed correct.
     
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    All of them? You've checked out all of the United Methodists in your area - every church?

    What is the nature of this "other gospel"? It would be great if you can provide evidence instead of making sweeping generalizations.
     
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    Since you acknowledge there are Baptists who are "liberal" (whatever that might mean), which apparently means they are teaching another gospel (please correct me if I am wrong), then you should include a bunch of Baptist denominations in your "church of satan" category so that our friends in other denominations don't think you are giving a pass to Baptists.

    Is everyone who understands the gospel differently from you, John MacArthur, and WOTM (sic) in unwitting league with satan?
     
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    I have looked at many different websites yes and find progressive on many of them. Here is an example.

    http://www.cameronchurch.org/?page_id=56

    Progressive Christianity
    • Belief that Christianity can be vital without claiming to be the best or only true religion. Strong ecological and social justice commitments.
    And yes Baptists can be liberal responding to your other post.

    http://www.fbcdenver.org/values.html

    Another progressive church.
     
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    Wrong.. Hank Hanagraaf is not a Calvinist but understands fully the gospel. Charles Stanley is another non- Calvinist, as well as Ron Rhodes.
     
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    Words mean things.

    Tell us about your local UMC pastor (Randy Jessen).
     
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    He does not appear to be Progressive so he may be alright. But I tell you I have viewed the websites of half a dozen UMC churches in my area that are progressive and there is a certain website (forbidden topic) where I can do a search and find them.
     

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