The Wisconsin Money Excuse

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  1. carpro

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303901504577458814216176248.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    The facts say otherwise.
     
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    When someone says that voting results are about the amount of money spent on one side or the other...

    They are saying that voters are stupid and vote based not on the issues but based of which ad they saw the most times.
     
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    Well, that voters are stupid must be correct because look at the 2008 election results. :tear:

    I would say that this same segment of "stupid voters" is swayed by race, star power, and media bias.

    But the voters in Wisconsin seem to have wised up.

    But back on topic, the Democrats/Unions were the ones that started this whole issue when the Democratic legislature left and went to Illinois and bussed in protestors and money from out of state. Voters got wise as to how unions and the left were bankrupting their state. Dems boo-hooing over lack of money is really laughable, considering they have been in cahoots with the rich and powerful labor unions for all of these years and George Soros has so much money invested in progressive causes.

    Maybe voters are getting sick of socialism, fraud, waste, and lies of the left.....
     
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    These liberal whiners fail to mention how much money big labor unions (who have members from more states than just WI) put in to defeat Walker--money that was taken from the workers who have no say on how that money was used.
     
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    An interesting fact about Wisconsin:

    From The American Thinker

     
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    My son graduated from a university in Kentucky where we live and got a job in Madison, WS and a computer software engineer. He told me Wisconsin voters split their ticket a lot. He votes conservative, and voted for Mr. Walker to keep his job. However, he believes Obama will carry Wisconsin despite Walker winning this election.
     
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    Money no doubt has a lot to do in politics and it certainly played a big part in the Wisconsin re-call election and victory for the Governor. I cannot see any way to deny that.
    Those on the left who are now crying foul over the money issue and those on the right who are claiming money was not an issue will reverse their positions if this current president gets re-elected since his war chest is reported at 1 billion plus.
    Sadly both sides are usually in some sort of denial.
     
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    Probably. But a very close vote in Wisconsin could indicate trouble for Obama in other places he carried in 2008.

    Now, back on topic:

     
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    I haven't seen or heard a single conservative alledge that money played no part.

    The issue really is where it came from. Liberals are crying foul while only telling part of the story.

    The truth is that the recall was a lost cause as soon as it was approved, as many polls have shown. Regardless of how much money was spent and where it came from.
     
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    If Obama wins it won't be because of money spent on political ads...

    It will be because of federal tax dollars handed out to targeted groups to buy votes.
    How exactly does campaign ad spending effect your vote?

    What ad can Obama put out there with his warchest that will cause you to vote for him?
     
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    Thank you for proving my point. :laugh:
     
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    And yet again you fail to answer a direct on topic question.

    If money spent on ads sways votes...

    What ad could Obama put out that would convince you to vote for him?
     
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    There is none, but that does not necessarily mean I will vote for Mitt Romney either.
     
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    http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/06/05/liberal-complaints-about-walkers-money-dont-hold-water/

     
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    Take away Madison and Milwaukee, and the rest of the state is predominantly red.

    Will BO win Wisconsin? I don't know, but I do think if Walker's reforms continue to bear fruit, he will have a very difficult time of it.

    I do think money played a role in the recall's result- the taxpayers' money. We are one of the higher taxed states and have for years had increases in taxes and fees without the corresponding increases in services. People simply are sick of it.
     
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    My point exactly.

    What difference does it make how much Obama raises if no ad will ever convince you to vote for him?

    I believe that most thinking people have already decided that there is no way they will vote for Obama in November.

    As for the rest, Obama is just preaching to the chior with his ads.
     
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    News flash. I will not be the only one voting. :laugh:
     
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    So Obama campaign money will make a difference in how people vote and those who say otherwise are in denial - according to you.

    And no amount of money spent on campaign ads will sway you to vote for Obama - according to you.

    Then you are in denial. :laugh: Again, according to you. :laugh:
     
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    As a lifetime Wisconsin resident, a few observations:

    1) The 7-to-1 comparison is only in direct contributions to the candidates. It completely ignores the tens of millions of dollars the unions poured into our state for 1000s of well paid people who circulated petitions and then spent months working on get out the vote stuff. There were dozens of vans running around Madison and Milwaukee, and to a lesser extent Racine and Kenosha, not only on election day but during early voting for the 2 weeks prior. Not to mention tons of mailings, endless phone calls, and 2 PACs that ran countless ads slamming Gov Walker. All this stuff cost a LOT of money and did a LOT to promote the union/Democrat side of the election, but it's money that isn't counted as donations. The 'outspent 7-to-1' idea is a complete farce.

    2) Polls repeatedly showed that most voters had made up their minds long before the election. Nothing that was done in that last month made any significant difference in the outcome, so it didn't matter who spent what doing what for whom.

    3) There's also the question of WHY Walker got 7 times more in private donations from the state and across the country. After all, it's not like there aren't a huge number of rich liberals out there who could have easily sent in many millions to the Democrat side of this election. Whether they are cheap or just recognized a losing cause when they saw one can't be known, but there was no law that gave Walker a donation advantage. There could just as easily have been a donation advantage for Barrett. It certainly wasn't because of any unfairness or lack of equal donating opportunities.

    4) One of the reasons Walker won is because the Dems put up an empty suit to run against him. Barrett has an abysmal record as mayor of Milwaukee, and offered absolutely nothing in terms of his own vision for the state. All he had was attacks on Walker, which became increasingly ludicrous as the election got closer. Even so, he was better than the unions' originally hand-picked candidate, Kathleen Falk, who was so completely in the pocket of the unions that she vowed to veto any budget that did not include a repeal of Act 10. The unions were so arrogant that they assumed Walker was so unpopular that it didn't matter who ran against him, so they wanted to run someone they absolutely owned. It wasn't until the primary was nearing that the Dems finally realized that Falk would get killed against Walker, and they convinced the only marginally better Barrett to run. So if at some point in the whole 16 months of working toward the Walker recall they would gave given some thought to putting up a really good candidate against him, they might have actually won. But as far as I can tell, the Dems and unions didn't make a single good decision in the entire process. Blaming it on direct donations to the candidates is being completely out of touch with reality. Which liberals, of course, excel at.
     

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