The Word, John 1

Amen, Brother JDale -- Preach it! :thumbs:

 

His "Word" is His only begotten son...Jesus. The Word in John 1 is referring to Christ.

 

Undoubtedly, but is it not also referring to this word?

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Where was Jesus in Genesis 1? We believe God spoke the world into existence, and we believe Jesus created the world...

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

whats the difference?

 

I don't see a difference. God (Triparte) created the world.

 

Then what is the difference between His spoken word (let there be light) and His spoken word recorded in the bible?

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

Now I'm getting lost in this...

The written and spoken word of God is not God, in the same sense the written and spoken words of us, arent "us".

 

Was it not the spoken word of God that created light in Genesis?

 

Newman:

Forgive me if I didn't make clear what I was saying in the original post. I was speaking of the Word of God IN THE CONTEXT OF John 1. SUrely you would agree that Jesus wasn't a literal Bible, or a spoken "word" as He walked on earth...?

My point was that Jesus was God incarnate, that He WAS and IS the WOrd of God in the sense that HE lived, breathed, spoke and manifest ALL that the WORD was and is -- but He is NOT the same thing as the Bible.

We don't worship The Book, we worship the God of the Book!

JDale

 

I understand what you are saying. I just wonder if maybe the difference is in your head rather than in the bible. You say Jesus was the Word in the sense that He lived and breathed and spoke and manifest all that the word was... what is that supposed to mean? The bible says that the Word was made flesh. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. Jesus didn't just manifest the Word, Jesus was the Word.

 

James, I'm not sure where you're going with this, but "word" in Hebrews 11:3 is different than John 1.

 

Regardless of what you think of the KJV, it did not become flesh and dwell among us. That is Jesus and that, right there, should tell us what this passage refers to.

It is true that the Bible is the word of God, but it is not what this passage is referring to. The answer is not in the use of the word, "word" as the same word can mean different things (in Greek or English), but in the context.

This is a time where lack of context can result in some poor doctrine.

 

Can you provide an example in Scriptures where "the Logos" refers to Scriptures?

Tater, I've heard similar things before. Mostly from people who would be called "bibliolators" and would never "desecrate" what God has given us by putting notes in it.

 

I haven't heard it in my IFB church, but, frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if I did someday.

 

James:

I'm afraid we can as humans overthink certain of the teachings of Scripture. While I believe Jesus IS the "Word made flesh," that does not mean that the Bible (KJV or otherwise) = Jesus. To attempt to "deconstruct" this passage further is to do violence to its meaning. It contributes nothing to a right understanding of the text.

Blessings,

JDale

PS -- Having for long years been exposed to IFB's, I can say that this type of thinking (KJV Bible=Jesus) is prevelant among those in the KJVO movement. Just another reason this particular strain of "Fundamentalism" can be dangerous.

 

No, I do not know of a specific case where ho Logos refers specifically to scripture, although it does not always specifically refer to Christ. However, that was not my point. I am in agreement with you that in John 1:1 (and elsewhere) ho logos means Jesus. However, this misunderstanding generally does not come from people who care to look at the Greek, so I was showing from the English context that "The Word" is Jesus and not scripture.

 

Its a common mistake made by anyone who does not care to exegete scripture. Its not limited to fundamentalists (nor is it made by all of them). I've seen it in many denomenations. We saw the same mistaken argument arise when one of our BB Trolls tried to say that the KJV was God.

 

Amen Tater. :thumbs: :applause:

The Bible has a name for people who misrepresent what it says, or take it out of context to promote a specific agenda.
It calls them Fools.

 

I'm an IFB and our church does use the KJV for teaching and preaching, and sometimes we wave our Bibles in the air because it is the Christian's "Instruction Manual".

But when this happens, we are speaking of the Bible, not necessarily the KJV.

I do not worship my Bible, but I DO respect it as the Word of God.

Jesus is the Living Word, God issued the spoken Word, and God inspired the written Word.

Just like SBC have different preferences among themselves, so do the IFB churches.

If it's one thing I've learned on the BB, it is that Baptists are very diverse and any one group cannot be stereotyped.